can MNK get a somewhat acceptable AOE skills?

[Tauu]

I'm new to dps in MMOs and MNK is my first main dps job, currently at 46. Rockbreaker seems decent with the offensive buffs up, especially with Blood for Blood and the crit buff ability. Is Rockbreaker really that bad compared to other dps aoe abilities?

[Craiger]

Yes, MNK needs better AoE

I know MNK's are supposed to be single target masters, but it's not like they beat NIN and DRG by much with that anyways, so why can't MNK at least have a functioning AoE rotation without using a single target attack in-between.

MNK: Arm of the destroyer (50 Potency) --> Single target attack(?) --> Rockbreaker (130 Potency) and Howling fist (170 Potency) somewhere between

DRG: Doom Spike (160 Potency) --> Doom Spike (160 Potency) --> Doom Spike (160 Potency) and Dragonfire Dive (250 Potency + 50% damage + Crit) somewhere between (including life/power surge)

It's pretty easy to see that DRG does an extreme amount of more AoE DPS than MNK... DRG in fact does pretty good, and so does NIN if you know how to count...

If MNK's are suposed to be single target masters who can't do anything against a group of enemies, or in fights that have any downtime at all, why aren't they further ahead than NIN and DRG on DPS then?

[ErzaScarlet77]

I'm new to dps in MMOs and MNK is my first main dps job, currently at 46. Rockbreaker seems decent with the offensive buffs up, especially with Blood for Blood and the crit buff ability. Is Rockbreaker really that bad compared to other dps aoe abilities?

rockbreaker itself isnt bad, but you need to do bootshine>true strike every time to do it or burn PB for it so it will take long time to actually clear mobs
NIN can do doton and continue their single target rotation and DRG can repeatedly spam doom spike that has only 10 less potency than howling fist, our 60s cd AoE, they also have ring of thorns which is really underrated imo, oh and they ahve dragonfire dive, 250 potency aoe that is seriously good (although long cd)

[ChaozK]

Dragonfire Dive (250 Potency + 50% damage + Crit) somewhere between (including life/power surge)

Minor nitpick, Dragonfire Dive does actually not work with either power surge or life surge. Power surge only buffs jump and spineshatter dive (explicitly says it on the tooltip) and life surge only makes it crit on one target rather than the whole AOE (so it works different than kassatsu for some reason).

[Fenral]

Never technically got to main MNK, but I figured out the trick with PB and AoE pretty easily, and without a guide.

It's not so different from BLM AoE, in that you need to build up a little before cutting loose. Get to GL2 or 3 first, then pop everything, including PB, and drop Rockbreaker like there's no tomorrow.

Don't have any numbers on file, since that was months ago at lower-than-current ilevel, but it was a match for a BLM. Except for that three-minute CD.

[Wobi]

So no one gives a thought to the next pull? Sure you can blow every CD and pop off great numbers for almost any DPS, but then you have no buffs or TP/MP for the next pull 10 seconds later, great planning.

They could give a small buff to Rockbreaker (potency and damage radius could use a boost) and I'd be fine with it, but honestly the biggest help would be increasing the length of Greased Lightning buff. It's too easy to lose stacks if you have a bad tank constantly moving the mobs around, spinning, non-stop repositioning and next thing you know you've lost stacks and then you are sad.

[Elusana_Celah]

Monk AE ain't that bad if you get your rotation going properly. Ain't as good as holy spam or black mage or anywhere close to that, but it gets the job done on trash pulls. Make sure you have invigorate cross skill to aid your TP that's going to suffer from the AEs.

[CGMidlander]

Monk AE ain't that bad if you get your rotation going properly. Ain't as good as holy spam or black mage or anywhere close to that, but it gets the job done on trash pulls. Make sure you have invigorate cross skill to aid your TP that's going to suffer from the AEs.

It's not inadequate for most AOE tasks in the game, but if you compare against other classes (Probably the point the thread starter is trying to make), MNK AOE is pretty bad. (Largely because of the single-target GCDs mixed in between Rockbreakers.)

[Samburi]

What Monk need first before a better AoE skill is a ranged skill.
DRG throw spears, NIN throw knives and MNK throw nothing. Why?
Please SE, give MNK the Chakrams back.

[Ilenya]

Throwing sprears and knives make sense but throwing claws make no sense anymore.

Where did he mention Claws? That is clearly a Chakram.