PLEASE Learn from your mistakes......

[Elkwood]

All I can say is the majority of this community is poison and that's half the problem. Go look at the SW:TOR forums and tell me if half this crap is ever posted there. You show me 1 thread where another player from the community is cussing someone out like they do here or calling them a trololololol. You wont find that because the mods there would ban you for that crap the first time you did it.

That game hasn't even been released yet when something is announced its fully explained with a video then discussed properly by the community. This community sucks plain and simple, Has nothing to do with NA, JP, or EU, its he immaturity level of the majority of people that post on these forums because they are so pathetic they have nothing better to do but trolololol.

Maybe it is people clinging to hope and not accepting what the game is going to become idk. If you honestly think the game is going have any good content like XI did you are sorely mistaken. This game may have great graphics, but it has a crappy engine and will never utilize your PC properly because the developer does not care about PC. The Developers want small man content, and everything instanced... The Devs want the next WOW plain and simple and they will do whatever it takes to make it that, because if they ever broke 3-4 million subs the game would pay for itself in a month.

The proof of the poison is in the tags at the bottom of this thread ppl already trololol it because they are to pathetic to come up with any good intuitive arguments or discussion points.

[Azurymber]

On top of all the other responses on this forum. Hey Azur if you think you can do so much better. Let us put you in charge of a worldwide multi-language MMO and see how long it will take for you to collapse under the pressure of the people and the corporation. I bet you wouldn't last a week before you start making posts about "I am sorry I can't give you the info you demand, because we are still in the development stages of said product." or you would just have a nervous breakdown and disappear. Don't bash something if you don't understand what is going on behind the scenes, and when you honestly can't do better. Now maybe you can do better... but seriously until you can prove otherwise you have no room to "toot your horn".

Edit: On top of all that the "lack of communication"?!?!?! Are you kidding me?!?!?!? We have 200% if not more communication then we ever did under Tanaka's reign on FFXI and FFXIV. It was until people raged so hard on here for a forum, and he was removed from his pet project 2.0, FFXIV, that he went... "oh... damn... I really should listen to the people.... here you go FFXI you have your own forum's now"

I run a successful e-marketing + economic/political consulting firm so I doubt i would break under the pressure and honestly, any marketing firm on this planet should be able to turn this game's PR around in days. That's one of the reasons I post things like this. Like I mentioned. One PR professional and 1 cultural anthropologist would fix all the problems. Instead of releasing info all over the place in multiple languages they could phrase the info in a way making it difficult for people to rage, center debates into single threads, and properly translate things so that they mesh with the culture they are being released for.

And companies that communicate well do not spawn 100s of speculation threads. If communication was good there would be no speculation because people would be clear on issues. People speculating non stop and saying "they said this" "no they said this" "well they said that but havnt mentioned it since" "they are thinking about it" is clear proof from a PR perspective of incredibly poor communications.

[Azurymber]

All I can say is the majority of this community is poison and that's half the problem. Go look at the SW:TOR forums and tell me if half this crap is ever posted there. You show me 1 thread where another player from the community is cussing someone out like they do here or calling them a trololololol. You wont find that because the mods there would ban you for that crap the first time you did it.

That game hasn't even been released yet when something is announced its fully explained with a video then discussed properly by the community. This community sucks plain and simple, Has nothing to do with NA, JP, or EU, its he immaturity level of the majority of people that post on these forums because they are so pathetic they have nothing better to do but trolololol.

Maybe it is people clinging to hope and not accepting what the game is going to become idk. If you honestly think the game is going have any good content like XI did you are sorely mistaken. This game may have great graphics, but it has a crappy engine and will never utilize your PC properly because the developer does not care about PC. The Developers want small man content, and everything instanced... The Devs want the next WOW plain and simple and they will do whatever it takes to make it that, because if they ever broke 3-4 million subs the game would pay for itself in a month.

The proof of the poison is in the tags at the bottom of this thread ppl already trololol it because they are to pathetic to come up with any good intuitive arguments or discussion points.

exactly this. Look at how SW ToR communicates. They have detailed videos explaining how each job is, they have a healthy community, and they already have more pre-orders than this game has managed to pull in. Thats the difference between having a real PR team and having devs try to deal with PR.

And i don't mean any offense to the devs or GMS on these forums, they work really hard and do a great job.

[Starlord]

It doesn't matter if SE releases very specific details, people are going to rage anyway. Instead of raging and speculating, they'll raging about how much they hate changes and so forth. So there's no way around it, also as much as I hate people complaining about stuff before the full picture comes into view, the speculation keeps these boards alive.

Just like this:

- Raging about Claiming system
- Raging about Parts being removed
- Raging about How the Materia system is toooooo hard.... Because it have 5 tiers and and can equipt 5 of them but each time it gets worse till your fully complete with 5 Materia..

They gave plenty of details about every one of them and look.. people still complain and that's most likely to continue to happen,even one year from now still complaining, 5 years from now still complaining, put it this way.. if you still don't think this game is good by next Anniversary in 2012, at that point I feel as if you don't have a life but to whine for no reason on the boards..

My 2 cents...

[weeble]

it's way to easy to rage in this situation, things are at a constant change. and even with the asking us what we think of it after and during the hole process just fuels it even more. every 5seconds something someone likes or doesn't like gets removed or changed. people don't know if they are wasting there time playing or not an really the only real answer to it is, just don't play, wait till they done fixing and then take a look, or it will drive u nuts lol. it's a sucky option though, and also if people are still complaining in like a year i still think it's cause se is still dangling them around like a old boyfriend. they seem to be targeting every type of player promising them something, even though there is nothing yet.

[Anapingofness]

I'll be very honest with you Azurymber, I do agree with quite a bit of what you're saying. I'm glad that you're saying it and actively discussing it with other players on this board. I too believe that SE has a long way to go before this game can be called anything.

The rather realistic fact of the matter is that SE needs to learn to communicate better. Much better. Specific details should be released with every announcement. It's far too easy to misunderstand someone via text, add to that translating things from one language to another and suddenly you're doing a rather massive juggling act.

However, it is important to note that SE and really, Yoshida-san, have been doing better.

I look back to FFXI update notes and cringe every time. At least there is vague information here and at least Yoshida-san communicates with the player base.

It was only very recently that actual details were given on patch notes for FFXI. I can't help but credit Yoshida-san for it. I will go as far as saying that is through his endeavors and willingness to communicate with the player base that this game survived and some trust has been restored into SE.

That being said, Yoshida-san and the dev team are swimming against the current so to speak. There are a lot of angry and stupid players out there (you know the ones that make you facepalm and wanna say "You're the reason we can't have nice things.") and that makes things difficult for the rest of us as well as Yoshida-san + dev team.

I, for one, am very happy to see rapid changes in FFXIV. It shows me that Yoshida-san and the dev team are putting their money where their mouth is.

I don't so much care that things aren't perfect or that things will change in the next update. The fact that there is communication and that I can see that they are trying to make the game better makes me as a player want to see this through to the end.

Does SE need to communicate better?
Hell yeah it does, I can't stress this enough. I don't think anyone will disagree on this point either.

However, we can't lay all of this pressure and blame on SE without taking some of the blame.

We wanted change, and rightly so! And we wanted it now(or as soon as possible). So we need to deal with the consequences.

Which means, we need to accept that things are not going to be perfect the first time around. We need to accept and deal with the fact that things will go through several iterations before they're done being tweaked. We also need to accept that we're still testers for this game and that means taking the good and the bad that comes with it.

So what if people sink gil into the materia system and it turns up moot because SE changes it?
Nobody playing this game has any right to complain about that.

Much like nobody has the right to complain about the so called 'dumbing down of crafting' without seeing how it works first.

By playing the game at this stage you accept that there will be gains and losses. Sometimes those losses will hurt but you grin and bare it because in the end it is for the greater good.

That doesn't mean don't voice your opinions and suggestions. On the contrary, these changes were heralded in by our voices. However, we do need to show some patience on our end and we too need to learn from our mistakes.

[PrettyPrincess]

How annoying this thread is

[Pulseczar]

How annoying this thread is

Just when they take a step forward lately—all the sudden they take two steps back. Typical Azury nonsense.

[Neptune]

The question you might want to ask is why are these 2 major problems for this dev team? What kind of dev team are we dealing with here?

Compare to Blizzard. Blizzard is a company that forecasts changes, hypes it up, tests it thoroughly, and then releases it to massive success. It's a company that knows what it wants to do and experiments for a long time until it masters its ambition. The end product, World of Warcraft, may not compare to the gameplay ideal some of us share but for what it is it's incredible, and incredibly well received.

This dev team needs to find that inner spark, then enter into the same process as Blizzard. Then we will see the kind of detailed information you're talking about. The reason this dev team doesn't communicate is because they have no information TO communicate. They have no master plan. They make it up as they go along and their downfall is that their ideas don't have the time that Blizzard's ideas have to really take root.

You may have pointed out 2 things SE needs to do, I'd say they only have 1 thing they need to get: balls.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

lol @ speculate, i'll say ppl always love to speculate whenever or whatever SE gives out or not. seriously is not such a big deal.