Thread: Specialist System in 3.0

Originally Posted by Aeyis

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Armorers could desynth Frying pans and Alembics actually. So yea I guess if you took LTW, CUL and ALC as your desynths then you were just out of luck. I'm not saying MCDs were implemented in the best way possible, but saying that only GSMs could get MCDs is fallacy.

Also you argument makes no sense either way because most people had GSM as a desynth because of the stigma that it was the easiest to get MCDs with. Yet MCDs were still millions of gil even though there was a surplus of GSM desynthers. So no, it had less to do with the specialization and more to do with people not wanting to spend the time to craft and desynth the MCDs themselves.

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

If we wanted to go beyond the MCD, GSM was also master for getting grade I and II FC and BC, as well as BCIII demimateria for a while now. Heck, they even allowed GSM to get access to the trio primal's demimateria since they made the accessories desynable, effectively taking away ALC's former advantage of being the only one capable of getting crags.

Desyn in general was pretty messed up from the moment it was implemented, and it hasn't really changed for the better. Now LTW/WVR are the ideal to go for FCIII, GSM still remains the most efficent way since now it only takes 8 turn ins for the artisan needle (which can possibly yield 3 MCD).

Circumstances and scenarios like this needs to be avoided if they plan to make it limited access for each player; SE has a pretty bad habit of letting things go and not fixing it up.

Not saying it was handled in the best way, but it's not the same as saying that those particular desynths were incapable of getting MCDs, with the exception of LTW and ALC. I'm not even including CUL because it is its own beast.

Just some side comments, Titan HM is very farmable in DF. I can't say the same for Titan EX. Also at this point the Demimateria are irrelevant because the EX drops (Inferno horn, Crag Heart etc.) and the Battlecraft IIIs are the limiter at this point for making the primal weapons. The demis have tanked in price.

Lastly, GSM has been on the top of crafting since the beginning. Accessories are the only relevant combat gear. Weapons have always been glamours at best. Armor is generally irrelevant a few weeks after the patch because of tome gear and raid drops.

I'd welcome any changes that will fix the lopsidedness of the usefulness of the different crafting classes.

So, wait, we can only spec in a single craft at a time? That's much worse than Desynth was! I was hoping for at least three, like Desynth. I guess it's time to level alts, and likely get them through the main storyline of 2.x I know some omnicrafters with seven alts already through the main storyline on my server though, and this won't really affect them, so making money via the MB with specialized items will be a nightmare.

Actually, thinking about it, I probably won't actually level alts. I just can't bring myself to put that much work into a game just to get to the fun part again. So, there goes my favorite part of this game (omnicrafting). I guess after playing through the main storyline of Heavensward, I'll just drop my sub and move on with my life. My first child will be born by then anyway, so good timing, I guess?

Originally Posted by Squand

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Mods say the darnest things.

Originally Posted by Yoshida Interview

You can have more than one trademeister but there'll be a delay before you're allowed to switch.

Yes, you can have multiple specs on one character just like you can be max rank in multiple GCs with one character. In other words, not at the same time, with a substantial time delay when switching. Want to craft something on your own that requires five specialities to complete? Sure, you can, but it'll take 1-3 months (assuming GC-like delay - it may only take a few weeks). Whereas another omnicrafter with four alts will be able to do it immediately by themselves.

Crafting with other people is fine when working together to make things for free (for friends and such), but compare crafting by yourself with crafting with four other people. One way makes five times the money as the other, and can afford to undercut the group-crafters substantially.

It'll probably not be as drastic as what I'm saying, but it seriously killed all the hype for me. I already switched from pre-ordering the CE to pre-ordering the Standard Edition.

The dumbest part, to me, is that endgame crafters will still need to be level 50 in every craft to do endgame crafting (due to needing the cross-class skills), even though they can only craft endgame items with a single crafter class (at a time). So, for a system that's supposed to help new crafters feel less intimidated by crafting, their idea could really use some work.

Originally Posted by Squand

Giantslayer speculated something like:

Only casual crafters specialize. This allows them to do 4* and 5* recipes without cross class skills.

Omnicraft's wouldn't need to spec.

Did you miss the part where you lose access to recipes if you're not currently specced? It was in the Yoshida interview.

Originally Posted by Yoshida Interview

With the new system, once you're at 60, you can then become an apprentise to each respective guilds' guildmaster. You'll gain new skills and recipes by becoming a meister/specialist. You can have more than one trademeister but there'll be a delay before you're allowed to switch.

That's the real problem. If it was just harder to do a craft if you weren't specialized, whatever. We can devise rotations that work around that. But if you can't even attempt the craft without specialization? That's the thing I'm upset about.