Specialist System in 3.0

**Ranzan** · 03-15-2015 10:33 AM

They really try to destroy crafting? I mean haven't they learned anything from other mmos that ppl will just use alts and abuse this new system? Sorry but they did NOT think this out at all.

How is this better for the economy if all its doing is making the supply nonexistent with certain crafts and make the ppl with Alts even more rich boggles my mind...

**Squand** · 03-15-2015 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ranzan

They really try to destroy crafting? I mean haven't they learned anything from other mmos that ppl will just use alts and abuse this new system? Sorry but they did NOT think this out at all.

How is this better for the economy if all its doing is making the supply nonexistent with certain crafts and make the ppl with Alts even more rich boggles my mind...

Mod asked us to stop over reacting and wait for more info. SE also revealed that you can switch specializations over time, and you can have more than one. Multiple interviews have talked about the depth of the new crafting system and all the cool things they are adding. There are things added for people who only craft, as well as things for people who craft occasionally. 3.0 is going to rock for crafters.

Everyone needs to start getting hyped. 0 fears!

**Gillionaire** · 03-15-2015 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Squand

Mod asked us to stop over reacting and wait for more info. SE also revealed that you can switch specializations over time, and you can have more than one. Multiple interviews have talked about the depth of the new crafting system and all the cool things they are adding. There are things added for people who only craft, as well as things for people who craft occasionally. 3.0 is going to rock for crafters.

Everyone needs to start getting hyped. 0 fears!

I dunno, the ability to "switch" is not a cure all for the restriction.

If I start off as a GSM specialist and I happen to get deep into the accessory market and a friend asks you to make a LTW item, what can I do other than to say

1. Oh I can't make it, I'm a GSM specialist sorry.
2. I could decided to leave the market board for a day? perhaps two? and tell my friend, I need to switch over to LTW guild and get ranked up or whatever it is that gets me to the top tier recipes, so give me a few hours and I can craft ya some LTW stuff?

Neither are really appealing to me.
perhaps I can get away with 2 characters in this case, first one for primarily making money and second one for on the fly(*) crafting for whatever's needed within the FC.

*Even that part of it is questioned when time restriction is brought into play, so maybe I'll need a third and a fourth one, who knows.

**Sibyll** · 03-15-2015 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

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I doubt the world will come to an end because you couldn't craft something right that minute. It sounds like you are just making up hypothetical reasons to hate whatever the expansion is going to add based on the tiny bit of information available.

Maybe just hold off on all the speculative whinery until we know all the details as you are making so many assumptions on what "switching" will entail that it's almost laughable.

**Gillionaire** · 03-15-2015 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sibyll

I doubt the world will come to an end because you couldn't craft something right that minute. It sounds like you are just making up hypothetical reasons to hate whatever the expansion is going to add based on the tiny bit of information available.

Maybe just hold off on all the speculative whinery until we know all the details as you are making so many assumptions on what "switching" will entail that it's almost laughable.

I didn't say the World would come crashing down because of it.. But I do rather enjoy the convenience in being able to AND knowing, that I can indeed craft whatever I wish to or need. That's one of the biggest reasons I pushed crafting this far in this game.

As someone who plays the game almost exclusively as a crafter, that means a great deal to me.
If you like to take the more casual approach to crafting, more power to ya, but that's not how I play the game.

I am not whining, in fact, I already know what I'm going to do to circumvent the limitations of "specialization". I already have 3 characters with crafting due to the desynthesis limit. They're not fully leveled up but if anybody has the resources and time to do it, a full time crafter such as myself would since I have a lot more time to focus on it rather than having to worry about raids, relic grind, loots, or whatever. I can already make my own leve turn-ins and have most of the mats stockpiled.

So now I ask you this, if the specialization is introduced, do you think I will suffer more or less than the casual crafters?

Also, it sounds like the specialization may be offered as a means to offer near BiS gear to crafters so we can make more useful combat gears and specialization is to restrict one person to access all of the gear at once..
That's taken from "It's probably terrible balance-wise to have dungeon drops always be the strongest so we're trying to change that." on the reddit post.

Do you really want people like me, who does nothing but craft most of the time to have a full set of BiS combat gear couple weeks after the expansion hits?

The only thing that the specialization limit will do is to make the pool of end-game crafters even smaller than it currently is.
Look at the prices of stuff on MB already, look at the wealth disparity between crafters vs. non-crafters.

On Jenova, there's a cohort of end-game crafters that work together to set the prices on MB. It's working to a degree but not too well because there are numerous crafters on the fringe and they simply can't get everyone in on it, the pie's not big enough. This is only possible because any crafter can jump in without having to be a specialist. i.e. if the group I was talking about decided to set their artisan off hand tools to a price of 7m. (It's already 4-5m which to me, is outrageous with 2m mat cost) I have enough of an incentive to jump in and compete for the profit which drives the prices down. If there's a specialist system in place, I wouldn't be able to unless I was of the correct class.

In fact, that's kind of already what's happened with Alchemist and Culinarian 4 star recipes.
Because most crafters don't decide to get their lucis with ALC or CUL, prices on those items are a lot higher. It will, however; be fixed by the players if the prices are TOO high, then more people will jump in the market to have a share of the profit.

P.S. I am not disagreeing with SE's design philosophy.. They talk about needing to have more casual approach to crafting so more people jump in the crafting scene. I am all for the idea, I think that's the only way that we'll get to see more reasonable prices on the MB, but introducing a "specialist" system will only do the opposite and create an environment where a casual crafter simply will not be able to compete in.

**Squand** · 03-15-2015 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sibyll

I doubt the world will come to an end

Thanks, Sibyll. I felt like I was losing my mind.

Everyone who works on this game loves this game. They have always treated their fans with respect and dedication. We are going to be able to build a fleet of airships that go on ventures! That is awesome! The crafting system is amazing amounts of fun. And the guys who made this awesome system are like, "We've got something even better coming out soon." And instead of, Oh I can't wait to hear more. People are like, "I know what this awesome thing is, you gave me delicious crafting cake last year, this year it's a spit ball to the face!" Why do you think that, Ranzan?

You can't treat me nothing but right for a year, and then lose me overnight. SE & Yoshi have built up some credit in the trust department. Any system they come at me with, I'm going to give it a thorough play-test before I decide I don't like it.

**scarebearz** · 03-15-2015 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Squand

SE & Yoshi have built up some credit in the trust department.

They have? :P First thing I though when reading that was FC/personal housing pricing ;D

**Orangard** · 03-16-2015 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Squand

Mod asked us to stop over reacting and wait for more info. SE also revealed that you can switch specializations over time, and you can have more than one. Multiple interviews have talked about the depth of the new crafting system and all the cool things they are adding. There are things added for people who only craft, as well as things for people who craft occasionally. 3.0 is going to rock for crafters.

Everyone needs to start getting hyped. 0 fears!

^^^^ What this guy said!

There is indeed a lot of chicken little going on in this thread.

Somehow people are believing that specialization will affect 100% of crafting, not just the top 5%. If I'm not mistaken, the specialization will introduce new crafts for that spec, that are only craftable while in that specialization. The rest of the crafts will remain 'open'. Some of those crafts will probably need to be used for say the FC airship and what not.

**Gillionaire** · 03-16-2015 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Orangard

Somehow people are believing that specialization will affect 100% of crafting, not just the top 5%. If I'm not mistaken, the specialization will introduce new crafts for that spec, that are only craftable while in that specialization. The rest of the crafts will remain 'open'. Some of those crafts will probably need to be used for say the FC airship and what not.

No, I don't believe that specialization will affect 100% of crafting. I agree with you on that.

BUT, the top 5% is what makes money to crafters, the top 5% is what's worth fighting over and that's enough to get us riled up.
That IS our end-game.

It's like if SE decided to implement something detrimental to the raid system and you argued "that's only for end-game raids, the regular dungeons will still stay the same"

**Sibyll** · 03-16-2015 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

It's like if SE decided to implement something detrimental to the raid system and you argued "that's only for end-game raids, the regular dungeons will still stay the same"

So what you are saying is that crafting should have weekly lock outs like raids and something akin to Tomestones for acquiring gear? I agree with you 100%. Please give crafting weekly lock outs on recipes!

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