Thread: Specialist System in 3.0

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

That sounds good for you, but what about people who specialize in refined mats? (rose gold nuggets, dark steel nuggets, ingots, twinthread, hippo leather etc.)

These items HQ are not needed to HQ 2 star finals. They may be needed for 3 star products but in a very limited amounts. And there is no need of any specialization to nq such items - some shots with enough crship... "Specialize" sounds to loud for such activity. And prices ... You may find a lot of before lvl 50 items at 10-40K price diapason and get more profit.

With 3 star maths i don't understand such activity too. Wolfram ingot is harder to HQ than Wolfram Cuirass and can be sold in my world at 60K price and 25 for NQ (scheelite costs 5K, ferberite hq 20K nq 2k) i have a tonnes of terminus putty hq and can easilly use nq ingots for cuirass and try to sell it for 200-250k. And all maths exept putty will cost for me less than 2 ferberite hq i will need to hq 2 ingots. I checked sales - nobody buys hq ingots...

Originally Posted by Alx789

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HQ mats still hold a place on the MB as a commodity because it gives people a peace of mind. Kind of an insurance policy if you will.. Not saying it's necessary, but if it's 20-30k extra most people will pay the premium to ensure they are protected from horrible RNG.

Also, reason wolfram ingots don't really sell is because people who need them can already make wolfram ingots. What they should've done to encourage cross class material trades was to diversify the materials for crafts instead of having GSM use gold and platinum for 99% of things, and BSM/ARM use darksteel/wolfram for 99% of things etc.

All that aside, there are people that make most of their gil by gathering and selling mats. Gathering is their main game, and they refine the mats to give it a little more value etc.. It's a lucrative portion of the market.

Besides, we're not discussing the viability of hq mats for 2-3 star crafts, we're discussing the value of the craft if one were limited to one or two of them.
To somebody who makes their gil by the means I described above, if they were forced to specialize in one or two of the classes, their market basically shrinks by more than half. Can you imagine trying to make gil by only selling rose gold nugget only? then move on to rose gold ingot then gold ingot into platinum ingot? That would be a very slow progression, if even possible with all the competition to come with it. Of course, you can say to diversify into gear, etc. But that argument just brings us back full circle..

This will apply even to people who sell gears. Of the people who sell artisan's gear on the MB, who only sells artisan's sandals/grinding wheel/spinning wheel? (taking CRP as example) nobody, if someone sells one artisan gear, they usually make and sell the rest of them too.

Such a change will affect everybody, think about how many types of final product you deal in.. It's usually 3-4 classes or more. Now, eliminate them by classes until one or two remain. Think about how profitable that'll be for you to all of a sudden cut your wares by 1/4th.

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

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HQing 2★ items without HQ mats is pretty standard for alot of crafters once they get the full melded artisan set (excluding the token items).

HQ Items for 4★ and forager/artisan 3★ equipment crafting honestly doesn't help much either because the quality pool gets pretty diluted. I mean it'll add a little bit of quaility, but the most it'll mitigate is that you need 1 less successful touch at the end, out of the 12~ that you need to ensure an absolute 100% (assuming no good on GS+inno+BB combo).

If they wanted to limit how much someone can craft (which I still disagree with espesically with our current model), there's so many things they need to adjust before stepping into it. The way we're looking at crafting now, BSM does nearly all the artisan tools, Weaver does two artisan equips, LTW does two forager equips. BSM and ALC are crying in a corner and GSM is off doing their best impression of Scrooge McDuck.

Looks like it won't be a problem anymore as you can switch specialization.

Originally Posted by Flinx

Looks like it won't be a problem anymore as you can switch specialization.

With a time limit imposed on it, and suggesting you cant be more then one specialist at the same time. If anything, it looks it will be a problem.


I better get those alts made so I can start saving up leves.

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

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Even if you were able to switch, certain classes shouldn't be left on the bottom while others shine. Whats the point of specialization if XYZ is the only good craft to go after? That's what I don't want to see in specialization. That, and a hard lock/limitation on how many you can take since it goes against the whole philosophy/point of the armory system.

Originally Posted by Alx789

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They are needed in mass production of certain items such as Artisans Gearss turn ins. HQ mats give an insurance that your macros will give you HQ products, so you wont have to manually craft for hours.
They are also incredibly important for crafters that are starting out. HQ 1 star mats at 10k each? That's likely still cheaper then the price tag of that Militia tool or AF equip you want to get.