Thread: Specialist System in 3.0

Originally Posted by Empty-handed

(some you can substitute or discard. looking at you innovation/ingeuity2 lol).

Or Flawless Synthesis. Srsly, SE? SE? Srsly.

like please, dont put Terminus Putty in all my recipe books again. where im forced to buy it back when they added 3stars for pretty much everything. i hated unlocking alchemist book just to make terminus putty. it was overpriced for no reason and was included in every important 3star recipe (you needed 2 per synth). this dependency needs to go :/

Unfortunately, if they do go to a specialist system, I think you can expect stuff like this to happen MORE, not LESS. The goal of specialization is to get crafters trading amongst one another rather than hunkering down and doing everything themselves. Therefore, I would expect to see almost every craft have valuable products that other crafts need, but cannot produce themselves. Not only will you need to buy some new form of Terminus Putty, but also Dragon Leather, Adaman Plates, Orichalcum Ingots, and so on and so forth.

Former XI player here, up to Aht Uhrgan. Compared to the battle classes, the restrictions placed on leveling the crafting classes always felt like it went against the spirit of the game and it was an aspect of the game that I often heard complaints about. In XI if you were serious about crafting you had alts so you could max out in everything.

Even if you weren't serious about crafting, you could just level a class to 100 you thought would benefit you the most. For the most part the recipes had very little overlap with the other crafting classes and relied much more on raw materials or refined materials from earlier levels of the same class. Barring a "sub-class" needing to be a certain level for higher level synths, there wasn't an incentive to level all the crafts on a single character.

XIV is a different system, and has always lauded itself about only needing one character to do everything. As early as level 1 you have recipes that require materials from other crafts. Each tier typically has materials from other crafts of the same level. You can't reliably make HQ items without using cross-class level 50 skills.

I think specializations are something that go against the design of the game and will ultimately ruin the markets. Look at the current desynth system for a precursor of this. There are items only obtainable by culinarian desynth--how expensive are those on your server? Granted, they're mostly glamour fodder, but the exclusivity/specialization has created that inflation.

With the zodiac materials, compare the cost of the weaver/ltw/gsm/bsm desynthed items to the arm/alc/cul/crp desynthed items. This is because most people take gsm/ltw/wvr due to needing the fieldcraft and mastercraft materia for crafting. It wasn't until more of those desynth skills could obtain these demimateria that the cost of fieldcraft dropped.

Specialization will just make synths that would normally be expensive even more so. It punishes players that not only enjoy the crafting aspect of the game, but have learned to expect to be able to do all the crafts on a single character.

I don't understand why the dev's just don't allow the time investment and cost of being an omnicrafter to be its own gating mechanism.

Originally Posted by miles00001001

Specialization will just make synths that would normally be expensive even more so. It punishes players that not only enjoy the crafting aspect of the game, but have learned to expect to be able to do all the crafts on a single character.

I don't understand why the dev's just don't allow the time investment and cost of being an omnicrafter to be its own gating mechanism.

Totally agree.

I really hope the Dev Team reads your post and Gillionaire's and everyone else's expressing concern.

* Inherently (because of the amount of hassle alone), the current Crafting System (up to Lucis Tools) *is* already a Natural "Gating Mechanism."

Most of the semi-serious / serious Crafters starting in 2.0 - 2.2 I know have already ended up "specializing" and focusing only on 1 - 3 Crafts because of Time Commitments and not wanting to bother grinding.

Please let that be the only "gate" you need, and not a Forced Lockout (like Desynth) or whatever was hinted at during PAX East. For those that want to put in the time (and heck, if we're putting in more Time, it means more Subscription / Monthly Fees for you, Square-Enix!), let them earn their way to Max Crafting in ALL Crafting Jobs in 3.0.

No Lockout / Forced Specialization, please.

Thanks.

I have liked being able to craft all my own gear, is this is no longer possible, I for one will be put off crafting/the game itself.

Having a game where you can (and pretty much have to) level every craft, but then only allowed to craft certain items, would imho be insane.

And game will drop to stupid grind. I see how my friends who cleared coils starts to grind it for drops becauce they don't know what to do... Craft will be stupidgrinded too... 8 craft classes + 1 combat to 60 then 1 to 100 and a lot of problems with item exchange between alts... I think they want to kill this version of game. For me, i don't know what about others.

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

On a side note..
Play a Lalafell and you will NEVER have the urge to spend money on swimsuit glamours.. just "try on" and see..
You would know :P

I -AM- a lala and totally rock the south sea's talisman. Might be a different story as a female, when you look like the Coppertone baby. :-/