Thread: Specialist System in 3.0

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

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You bring up another good point. NQ is completely worthless. I'd be more content with their existence and materia melding if the NQ could achieve the same as HQ but simply required proper melding to do so. This is a lazy fix but it'd require simple number balancing.

The quality bar is a nice idea for crafting, but it's an illusion of choice. Also, with some of the artisan gear it still comes down to chance. I've messed up at least one 4* because I got no TotT procs and failed 50% of my hasty touches.

I'm surprised Artisan off hands even sell for you. The only people that would want them can usually make them anyways. It's self-defeating.

Originally Posted by GenJoe

It sells because so many people fear 3-4 star crafting.. They don't realize just how much bad luck it takes to screw up a 3-4star craft.. 4 star is almost easier than 3 stars because you can have so much starting quality from hq mats.. I see some crafters who subscribe to the idea "steady and slow wins the race", but that doesn't work in FF14

The DoW/DoM items are pretty easy to do with a 50% full quality bar. The Artisan/Forager stuff is pretty easy to get some bad luck on. I'm not saying it's on par with 100% HQing Wootz Ingots, and the like, but the Ehcatl Sealants and Mastercraft Demi really cuts into your quality bar. I think the design was that the end product is really easy with all HQ mats, but the mats themselves are challenging. Think back to 2*, Darksteel Ingots were harder to HQ than the items you used them for. It's the same concept just balanced better because the Ingots and the product have the same quality and progress bar.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

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I don't mind the concept of "crafting materials are hard to HQ, crafted equips/finished products are made easier with HQ items". That supports the concept of bulk crafting things like kirimu leather (which has no HQ-possible mats). You'd only need a minimum of 7 successful touches to get a 100% HQ on a 4 star if you had 2891 starting quality. Even then you're going to have some RNG because of CP constraints and rapid synthesis, but that's a lot more helpful than having to start with 1.1k max and requiring 10+ touches.

Sadly this only really applies to the crafted body pieces, all of which aren't exactly practical except for the bard's kirimu coat.

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

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Frankly, I also like this type of design. It gives value to HQ mats by removing risk on the end-product. It's ok that Wootz Ingots/Kirimu Leather start with 0 quality because even if you get 3 out of 5 ingots HQ that's a massive help on the chest piece (the 2*/3* mats are pretty trivial to HQ and help immensely). The sad thing is though that people that would use these items generally don't buy them from the board, they just make them themselves.

Doesn't really matter though when most of this stuff is only purchased for glamours. The BSM i95/i110 weapons just stand out as examples of this.

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

It's just that right now, NQ items (esp the offhands) are worth less than the materials used to craft it.

That's 3* so if you're BiS and screwing that up on any kind of regular... your rotation is wrong.

For the other stuff you mention, that's because sellers have decided to sell it at a toxic price. Perhaps because the profit margin on HQ is so astronomical. If you're selling 2.4mil for a kirimu coat, how much do you make off of that? On Balmung they cost like 300k to make.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

You bring up another good point. NQ is completely worthless.

NQ is not worthless on my server. And Many items have stat caps that allow for various melds to make up for NQ vs HQ almost all the foragers' and artisan items do.

Originally Posted by Squand

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No amount of melding will put a NQ piece of DoW/DoM gear on par with a HQ piece. Same goes for the Artisan/Forager off hands and the Artisan Apron.

I'd assume RiceisNice was referring to these crafts when they first came out. The Artisan off hands had a tighter margin for error when they were first released and not everyone had Supras because of Mastercraft demi prices. That being said a NQ artisan off hand wasn't worth the cost of the mats used to make it. HQ Artisan off hands hardly sold at all because the people that would use them could make it themselves.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

HQ Artisan off hands hardly sold at all because the people that would use them could make it themselves.

I can't speak for you server, but crafter/gatherer gears sold way better than the DoW/DoM items on my server and still do. (thought a lot more people selling them now ofc)

Your right that these people should be able to make their own if they are heading to 4*, but you would be shocked how many would rather pay someone like me to make them for them.

Originally Posted by scarebearz

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These still sell on my server as well. The prices will vary though, and my point was that an NQ off hand was worth less than the materials used to make it, just because of how useless they were in the grand scheme of things. You can't even max out the stats on HQ even with the best possible melds (except for left side gear, excluding the apron/top), and an NQ one will hurt it all that much more. I'm exactly right on 453/407 with my current setup, which is made impossible with NQ. You could work around this with a lucis or food, but...yeah...

Sealants go for 200k on average on my server, and the HQ offhands easily sell for as low as 2mil. NQ ones sell for a little less than 500k; you don't really need to do the math to see that's a huge loss just from the six sealants alone.