Thread: Specialist System in 3.0

Originally Posted by Ranzan

Well Scarebear beat me to it on the trust issue. (Wish I could like it more lol )
This specialist system from the details we do have will not be a good thing for omni crafter because this system promotes lock outs and pigeonholing people to specific crafts. I don't know about you but I thought the main selling point of this game was one character can do ALL?

Even in that interview he contradicted himself by saying crafting was too "hardcore" but introduce a new system that promotes even more "hardcore" crafting. Now to craft anything at anytime you have to have alts because now one character can NOT do all.

At what point do they explicitly say you can't do everything? The lock out could be 3 Eorzean days for all we know. I too am skeptical of the specialist system after the housing debacle, but with how little we actually know people are just jumping to some idiotic conclusions for the sake of rabble rousing.

Honestly, if whatever change they do makes crafted combat gear meaningful (besides the jewelry) I'd be all for it. At the current moment weapons are overpriced glamours, ARM/LTW/WVR gear is irrelevant after the first few weeks and/or incredibly niche and the accessories are the only pieces worth holding on to. Alchemist hasn't gotten a meaningful potion since 2* while Culinarian continues to be useful at all levels of play.

And yet you say this:

Originally Posted by Ranzan

The current system is working fine.

No it leaves a lot to be desired. Forcing people to level all their crafters to 50 is part of the reason why most steer clear of it. If they are trying to shift from leveling 8 classes to 50 toward leveling 2-3 to 50 then I think you'd end up with more people with 1 or 2 specialists on their character which would mean more transactions on that casual level.

Also, people are commenting on "hardcore" crfafters that level a bunch of alts to circumvent this. You are right, it wouldn't affect them. Little will in fact, outside of limiting the number of high-end crafts that could be done using some kind of a token system obtained through dailies. It'd prevent them from satisfying the market by themselves and giving other specialists a chance. Honestly they shouldn't be balancing their game around what people with too much time on their hands will do. If that were the case then FCoB wouldn't have been cleared in the first week.

regardless of any changes ever made to the crafting system it will always be boring and useless. crafting and gil are for glamour; for those playing dress-up with their virtual dolls. because of RMT we will never see meaningful armor or weapons being produced through crafting.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

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First off the current system let you specialize if you CHOOSE to. It doesn\\'t twist your arm into doing so. Hell there are ppl that only did Ltw/Wvr/Gsm just fore spiritbonding purposes. So you could always specialize in a craft or two. Why limit the people that worked hard to get them all leveled to please some lazy people that didn\\'t or won\\'t put in the effort to do them all?

In the Reddit posted interview he said there will be a "delay" when you switch specializations. That tells me I can make everything or anything people ask me on the spot. I can only speak for myself but that not good for business. Do I tell this customer in front of me "Sorry I can\\'t make that right now but if you wait I can switch and make it for you then." 10 times out of 10 they are going to find someone else.

Also they could made crafting item more relevant with the current system. It may actually be better because the prices wouldn't be as high if (wait for it) any and everybody can make said items and not just a select few. Base on the info we have its a step back and more monopolies in markets on the horizon.

Originally Posted by Ranzan

First off the current system let you specialize if you CHOOSE to. It doesn\\'t twist your arm into doing so.

Make a 4* BSM without leveling any of the other crafters then come back and tell me that the game doesn't twist your arm to level everything to 50. DoW/DoM does this to an extent too, but at least there you only need to do two other classes and generally to level 34, tops.

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

Can you imagine how hiked up the prices will get if certain items were only crafted/desynthed via a SINGLE method?
Just think back before 2.45 when you had to desynth artisan's specs to get mcDs.. They were over a million gil each! As soon as they released artisan tools and it allowed 3 desynthing classes to obtain them, to a varying degree of effectiveness, it dropped the prices.

Other desynthers always had the option to acquire MCDs, it was merely higher risk for potentially higher reward. So no, this is completely false. They were expensive because it was/is a tedious task no one wants to do, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

Competition will create a healthy market. By forcing people to specialize, that reduces the competition.. Prices will only go up from that.

If specialization draws more people into crafting by making it feasible to level 1 or 2 crafters to 50 without requiring the player to level the all of them then this would create a larger pool of specialized crafters and increase competition overall. We can cherry pick scenarios all day and we will still get no where, which is the point I was trying to make to you earlier in the thread. Wait for more details before you cry a river. It's anecdotal but a common complaint of non-crafters that want to get into crafting is that they don't want to level 8 crafting classes to 50 just to push 1 crafting class to 4*.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

Other desynthers always had the option to acquire MCDs, it was merely higher risk for potentially higher reward. So no, this is completely false. They were expensive because it was/is a tedious task no one wants to do, plain and simple.

Out of what could they obtain MDs exactly?

Originally Posted by Sibyll

If specialization draws more people into crafting by making it feasible to level 1 or 2 crafters to 50 without requiring the player to level the all of them then this would create a larger pool of specialized crafters and increase competition overall.

I already know people who do just that.
What makes you think that people who are too lazy to do so now, (they would much rather have their fc/friend craft for them; then level themselves, or get it off the mb) would suddenly decided to take up crafting?

Originally Posted by Sibyll

It's anecdotal but a common complaint of non-crafters that want to get into crafting is that they don't want to level 8 crafting classes to 50 just to push 1 crafting class to 4*.

No, it's not anecdotal, it's just one random opinion from a random person. Like mine:
I wanted to level 2 classes to 4* and I did not mind leveling all the others to level 50.