Specialist System in 3.0

**Nyalia** · 03-14-2015 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

Imagine, however; that you were force to buy rose gold nuggets, hard hippo leathers, etc. sure it would circulate a lot more gil around the market, but the finished product will end up costing more.

Prices are set by the person who is selling it for the cheapest. There would still be someone with an alt who can make the mats they can't make on their main, and that person would have even more control over the market. A specialization system does not just benefit the casual crafter over the "hardcore" crafter. The "hardcore" crafters (top 1%) will benefit from that sort of system the most.

**Alx789** · 03-14-2015 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gillionaire

That sounds good for you, but what about people who specialize in refined mats? (rose gold nuggets, dark steel nuggets, ingots, twinthread, hippo leather etc.)

These items HQ are not needed to HQ 2 star finals. They may be needed for 3 star products but in a very limited amounts. And there is no need of any specialization to nq such items - some shots with enough crship... "Specialize" sounds to loud for such activity. And prices ... You may find a lot of before lvl 50 items at 10-40K price diapason and get more profit.

With 3 star maths i don't understand such activity too. Wolfram ingot is harder to HQ than Wolfram Cuirass and can be sold in my world at 60K price and 25 for NQ (scheelite costs 5K, ferberite hq 20K nq 2k) i have a tonnes of terminus putty hq and can easilly use nq ingots for cuirass and try to sell it for 200-250k. And all maths exept putty will cost for me less than 2 ferberite hq i will need to hq 2 ingots. I checked sales - nobody buys hq ingots...

**Seaverin** · 03-13-2015 02:39 PM

All i'm hoping for is a market board not controlled by one person with a million alts coz that person have all crafts to 60's. Some people here who are in a mid-pop server can say whatever but if you are in a high pop servers, the MB is mostly being monopolized and manipulated with unsteady crazy prices. I've played FFXI and having specializations does put a "lockout" but I see that as a balance/focus to prevent some people from monopolizing the MB. If you don't put some "restrictions" in crafting, then players who are rich will become richer and players who are poor will be more poorer; and that in itself creates problem coz they are forced to buy gils with the RMTs which will therefore affect the MB.

**Nyalia** · 03-14-2015 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Seaverin

All i'm hoping for is a market board not controlled by one person with a million alts coz that person have all crafts to 60's.

A restrictive system would benefit that person, not hurt them. You said they already have a bunch of alts - they just need to choose a different spec for each alt. I'll bet they have all desynth classes to 110, but on different characters.

Restricting one person from being able to do everything just benefits the people with more time on their hands because alts exist.

If such a system is implemented, I'd cancel my 3rd retainer and instead put that money toward a sub that lets me have 8 characters per server instead of 1. I'd then level at least one alt to use as a mule and to spec in things my main doesn't spec in. I just don't want to have to do this because FFXIV was pitched to me as a game where you don't need to level more than one character, so I'm annoyed at such a restriction being added at such a late date. Desynth was different because most items you want to desynth are untradeable anyway - if multiple crafting specs have to work together on endgame level 60 crafts, the items they make can't be untradeable.

**Sibyll** · 03-14-2015 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by Nyalia

Restricting one person from being able to do everything just benefits the people with more time on their hands because alts exist.

This is kind of why I'm sick of them using time investment as the only gate. I like the idea of choosing between being jack of all trades, master of none and being a specialist in a few with strengths and weaknesses associated with each path except for the part where people with too much time on their hands being unaffected by any restriction and continuing to control the market.

I'd be happy to see something as simple as Specializations being the equivalent of Jobs where you only get to cross class with 2 DoH classes which would require unique rotations and strategies between specializations. It'd make crafting less homogeneous.

**nuyu11** · 03-13-2015 05:35 PM

Sorry Noob questions here.

I just hit lvl 50 with my Bard, thinking about lvling my DOH.
I've heard you guys keep mention about alt,
I thought we can't trade between our own character.
You mean alt is another separate account?

**Roth_Trailfinder** · 03-13-2015 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Seaverin

All i'm hoping for is a market board not controlled by one person with a million alts coz that person have all crafts to 60's.

What's to stop this hypothetical person from having each alt become a "specialist" in different things, effectively retaining control of the MB?

Originally Posted by nuyu11

I just hit lvl 50 with my Bard, thinking about lvling my DOH.
I've heard you guys keep mention about alt,
I thought we can't trade between our own character.
You mean alt is another separate account?

A second account IS the main way I was thinking about for getting around that particular restriction, yes. The other alternative would be to form a FC and have one of the other founders invite your alts on that account to it, then leave, giving you sole access/control of the FC chest.

**Gillionaire** · 03-13-2015 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by nuyu11

Sorry Noob questions here.

I just hit lvl 50 with my Bard, thinking about lvling my DOH.
I've heard you guys keep mention about alt,
I thought we can't trade between our own character.
You mean alt is another separate account?

Due to the nature of crafters, many are either officer ranks in most FCs.
OR they're given a more lenient FC chest privileges than most.

So if your alt is on the same FC as your main, you can move stuff around using the chest.

**Richiealvian** · 03-13-2015 06:44 PM

You can, but you need a 3rd person to trade your stuff back to you.

**Nashred** · 03-14-2015 01:17 AM

If you think about it why would SE not come out with a system that requires alts? People making alts make SE more money. SE has been making some decision lately that are not necessarily better for the game but better for their pocket books.

Most will say it is not pay to win because it is crafting but too a crafter it sure feels like it.

FFXIV was not supposed to be about just combat...

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