Progression locks are bad

[KisaiTenshi]

T5 is really easy with the echo and gear though. The fight is over in a few minutes.

The only thing killing overgeared players are Divebombs, Twisters and bad positioning for Dreadknights. As long as ppl watch the guide it shouldn't be a problem.. Also make it solo tank PLD to burn it faster.

Watching a guide before doing the dungeon is no fun (I have yet to do Coil because I didn't have time for it at launch and didn't have the gear for it after I came back like the OP.) But I don't want to be carried through it either, so it's like... hmm do I wait for a PUG group and hope for people who aren't trolls? For the sake of not having people whine I'll skim over a guide to know how many phases the boss has. Games aren't meant to be played with walkthroughs/guides. You use them only after failing to find your own solution.

You learn more from other players saying how they want to tackle the monsters/boss. People are still failing to use the the Rogue/Ninja "Hide" to trigger things/get chests and avoid dungeon trash.

[Kinseykinz]

It's fine that it's hard. It's even good that it's hard. But locking off the content after it is bad. All the social skills in the world won't change the fact that I didn't attack this encounter when it was current, and so now finding a group that is both capable of clearing it AND will take someone who never has is extremely difficult and it has nothing to do with social skills.

What you are missing here is that it's it's own seperate story and questline. So 'skipping' Turn 5 so you can progress to T10...or whatever turn you'd prefer to be on means you skip over vital storyline and battles that make that story make sense.

Even in the Hildebrand quest -series, which is much easier to pug/excell at... you need to do the the battles and missions in order. Same with main storyline, moogle delivery quests, Crystal tower chain...even your job quests. Why should Binding Coil (or any other endgame content) be different?

[ShaneDawn]

Well, sure, that would be the ideal solution if you truly wish to challenge yourself. Figuring out coil mechanics is a different beast from your average dungeons though. Besides, it's pretty much common courtesy to know the fight at least by theory. Maybe not in T5, but T6 is the first you'll face with such mentality, as people expect kill runs. No one is forced to watch a guide at all, but that one person may turn into the one single factor that messes up the run for the seven other people, unless it's a preformed group. It's common courtesy to prepare for extreme content to the best of your ability.

There's no one to tell you how you must play this game, but prepare to face some salty response by some of the more obnoxious players.

[ShaneDawn]

@Kisai, damned phone won't let me edit.

[FranSeara]

So, the df groups with you in them are impossible and the ones with me in them are clearing? Hmm.

You have NUMBERS??

[Malevicton]

You have NUMBERS??

I have lots of numbers. What types of numbers are you looking for? Here's a sample of my wares: 8, 12, pi, 47, 9001, 6.2, 84000. And that's just a sample!

But seriously, I'm not trying to shame people or just shout GET GUD SCRUB. I remember when t5 was still progression for me and it's still a tough fight. But the content is certainly not impossible, and when people come here and ask for help just telling them "oh it's impossible because elitists" is awful advice. Continue trying, build connections with any good players you come across along the way. Keep doing the best you can until you happen into 7 other passable players and you can clear t5. It's a challenge, but it's very far from impossible.

Follow your dreams!

[FranSeara]

I have lots of numbers. What types of numbers are you looking for? Here's a sample of my wares: 8, 12, pi, 47, 9001, 6.2, 84000. And that's just a sample!


Follow your dreams!

I've cleared it. I dont think is do'able in DF or at least that was my experience 6-8 months ago. Having number back up your statments is always nice, if your going to call other peolpe out. I think, I went 0 for 20 on T5 solo q'ing. If you had a better experience then good for you. I still stand by "You may wanna make a PF to help increase your odds of clearning T5" "I" feel T5 is not doable using DF (IMO) But, its nice to see that you have more faith then I do.

[randysquirrel]

Watching a guide before doing the dungeon is no fun (I have yet to do Coil because I didn't have time for it at launch and didn't have the gear for it after I came back like the OP.) But I don't want to be carried through it either, so it's like... hmm do I wait for a PUG group and hope for people who aren't trolls? For the sake of not having people whine I'll skim over a guide to know how many phases the boss has. Games aren't meant to be played with walkthroughs/guides. You use them only after failing to find your own solution.

You learn more from other players saying how they want to tackle the monsters/boss. People are still failing to use the the Rogue/Ninja "Hide" to trigger things/get chests and avoid dungeon trash.

No-one is required to look at a guide before going in.

And no-one is required not to back out immediately and replace you, when you go in without the first idea of what you're doing and die walking by into the wall

[Malevicton]

PF is definitely the better bet. I'm not saying it's mad easy, the only thing I disagree with you on is how you insist on absolutes; "impossible" "not doable". Not to mention you calling me out on not having numbers, and then you just use ballpark estimates to back yourself up. The reason numbers are great at backing things up is because of their mathematical certainty. If your numbers are a guess then your numbers don't back anything up :P

Anyways, I don't track all of my pug experiences on a spreadsheet anywhere, but I know I've cleared t5 in df multiple times. Whether it was once or a million times, it can't be impossible.

[Vidu]

Even in the Hildebrand quest -series, which is much easier to pug/excell at... you need to do the the battles and missions in order. Same with main storyline, moogle delivery quests, Crystal tower chain...even your job quests. Why should Binding Coil (or any other endgame content) be different?

This. Absolutly. I've played since release of ARR and I remember being stuck on Stone Vigil normal for about three weeks since I kept getting bad groups in df (and I suppose I wasnt a great tank myself either). In the end I asked two friends for help and we cleared it in like 30 mins. I couldnt progress with the mainstory until I'd beaten that good old dungeon - and we all know that its still easy to get stuck on Garuda normal nowadays. Is that bad? Maybe. But I'm pretty sure the devs (and I agree with them) consider that necessary because that is how they're telling you that story. If the OP doesnt consider that content "to hard" I dont really understand what kind of solution he would suggest - that makes sure no one is locked out BUT still allowes the team to tell us this wonderful stories? Saying "Yeah, I dont care about the story, I care about the fight" is a bit... well...

And still, I like to repeat that point: For the content people are locked out from you want some sort of a premade group anyways. You want "friends" or people who you enjoy playing with - and that sort of people will be fine with clearing content with you or - even better - will learn content with you. Progression locks are mostly affecting people who try to solo this game - and that might be possible until a certain point, I did so myself for quite a while and still had a lot of fun! But now that I've seen at least a bit of FCoB I'm glad that I found a bunch of people I'm feeling comfortable with. So maybe my word doesnt count anymore now but what I learned: It doesnt matter if some content is in your dutyfinderlist when you havent got people to do it with you...