Shouldn't DRG be top DPS?

[Craiger]

I have been playing BLM for some time now, and I'm not 100% on the DPS gaps between the melee jobs...

But, doesn't NIN give your party higher DPS than MNK with their Trick Attack? and on top of that have good utility.

DRG gives bonus DPS to Bard, and if you have a good BRD in your group, that DPS is a decent increase. Doesn't that take DRG to the same level as MNK on DPS for the party?

Just give DRG slight more utility and it would be just fine... Or I'm just wrong about all that ^^

[CGMidlander]

MNK:
...
- Positionals

The positionals are not a problem at all in most cases. GL3 falling off due to mechanics/downtime (e.g. Primals jumping, getting gaoled...etc.) and crap AOE compared to other DPS classes are bigger concerns IMO.

NIN:
+++ The extreme value of Trick Attack (very close in value to Mage's Ballad, the best): 10% damage increase on target from all sources for 10s every minute
+++ The extreme value of Goad: Large (400?) TP regen on a single target
++ 10% slashing resistance decrease on target; affects both tanks and can be used by warriors as well, affects other ninjas
+ 1s silence, 2s stun
+ Perfect Dodge
+- Minor self healing (Mug), easy teleportation

You forgot:
- Mudras are slow if player has lag

Many people don't have perfect latency, so this is a very real problem for a lot of people.

[Ephier]

The positionals are not a problem at all in most cases. GL3 falling off due to mechanics/downtime (e.g. Primals jumping, getting gaoled...etc.) and crap AOE compared to other DPS classes are bigger concerns IMO.



You forgot:
- Mudras are slow if player has lag

Many people don't have perfect latency, so this is a very real problem for a lot of people.

Even people with good latency have issues with mudra lag.

[Maero]

I have been playing BLM for some time now, and I'm not 100% on the DPS gaps between the melee jobs...

But, doesn't NIN give your party higher DPS than MNK with their Trick Attack? and on top of that have good utility.

DRG gives bonus DPS to Bard, and if you have a good BRD in your group, that DPS is a decent increase. Doesn't that take DRG to the same level as MNK on DPS for the party?

Just give DRG slight more utility and it would be just fine... Or I'm just wrong about all that ^^

I actually agree very much here except the last part, drg is now fine how it is, all 3 are actually (Monk, Drg, Nin)

[alsims2007]

Something I think is forgotten is that drg have the most def and hp of the dps classes and now their mdef isnt garbage. The fact that I still see them dying all the time is hilarious because on paper they should be the most durable of the non tank classes.
The counter various other posts
Goad has been worthless outside of dungeons (specifically with warriors) and deaths of a melee in coil. Ninjas burn tp similar to a monk so paeon is still required.

Monk is not the worst aoe dps. If a monk is dps is low in aoe situations it's because the misconception has taught them to not aoe (this needs to change). I believe ninja is since the nerf. Lastly, as much as I love trick attack you rarely get a large benefit from it unless you run a 2 ninja setup. 10secs only allows for a small amount of attacks depending on the class. It's still one of the greatest utility skills but not as much as ppl claim

[LucentLagombi]

Drg is top dps right now... you have to take the increase in bard damage into account. If the bard would be at 400 dps that's almost 30 dps attributed to the drg for the raid, likely more. Mnk nin and drg dps on a dummy is pretty close as it is, just factor in the disembowel damage and I think you'll find that the drg well usually be on top by at least a few points.

[Hammerfist]

Dragoon IS already top dps, even without the Disembowel utility. Whether or not people are willing to admit it, that's a whole different story.

[Almalexia]

Drg is top dps right now... you have to take the increase in bard damage into account.

If we are going to take BRD into account, then you should invite 3 MNKs that spec into skill speed and have BRD Paeon when needed. One MNK on DK duty. You can't beat that sustained DPS.

Building a party to play to a job's strengths is fine, but take the time to compare apples to apples.

[Blueskyy]

Read OP. He/She isn't even a Dragoon lol. And none of us Dragoons, really, want any changes.

Not true. Maybe you and some Drg are ok with Drg the way it is now, but there are MANY DRGs out there who still thinks Drg buffs are not enough, and they probably won't stop until they are at the Kings of Dps, somewhere where no dps can ever touch their numbers, even if we reach there, there still will be people who complain about utility for drg. But small amount. If you don't believe continue reading the thread and there'll be a drg who still thinks its not enough. To me I am satisfied with the Melee Dps as it is now. Those who still complain about drg dps, are probably those who can't play Drg to the maximum potential

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[siverstorm]

Those who still complain about drg dps, are probably those who can't play Drg to the maximum potential

Hit the nail on the head.

Same can be said about pretty much any class complaints. Drg had a problem pre-buff then they got buffed and currently are a strong melee and balanced with nin and mnk. Now the only class with an arguable problem is SMN, a little less than before but people still seem to shun them from new groups from what I've been seeing.

But then you also have threads like "why bring mnk" with a bunch of monks salty over the fact that there's now balance (unless drg and nin get an int debuff, the monk is solidified in a typical progression static but eh).