PLEASE CAP THE ZODIAC DROP RATE

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Please stop using "grind" as a synonym to "RNG". Grind is completely fine, but one person finishing the grind after 1 run while another person puts in 50 times the effort and gets nothing due to RNG is not.

Almost everyone gets a couple drops in 1-2 runs and almost everyone has a couple dungeons they have to run 20-30 times. Some cases more extreme then others but still, why cry about it? The zodiac and zeta steps combined are still easier than the not RNG nexus step. especially before they nerfed it.

[GenJoe]

Almost everyone gets a couple drops in 1-2 runs and almost everyone has a couple dungeons they have to run 20-30 times. Some cases more extreme then others but still, why cry about it? The zodiac and zeta steps combined are still easier than the not RNG nexus step. especially before they nerfed it.

Because you're unable to visualize any progress..

It's like the experience bar, let's assume that it takes 5000 kills to gain a level in the game on average.
Instead of having enemies give 1/5000th of the exp needed to level per kill, if instead you rolled a RNG and had 1/5000 chance of leveling up upon killing a monster it should result in similar pace of progression for the entire player base as a whole. (technically, RNG needs to be less than 1/5000, but let's just assume it's accurate)

With an EXP bar, you can see how far you're from the goal, how far you've come. However, with an RNG system, you have nothing to gauge your progress upon. That's what drives people to insanity.

People need metrics, numbers, whatever it is to gauge their starting point, final goal, current position..


Navigating the World is a much less daunting task when you have a map, even if it doesn't change the path traveled. Why do you think they show the World map with current position on airplanes? It's not for the pilots.

Yea because no1 ever complained about the animus books, or alexander part, or the nexus part. Don't try to fool people into thinking this is anything less than people don't want to grind stuff.

no that's a given, it's part of the game.. But the Zodiac part seems to be the most exacerbated, I've heard of people going for 100+ runs without getting the loot, now that wouldn't be fun no matter what.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Because you're unable to visualize any progress...

Yea because no1 ever complained about the animus books, or alexander part, or the nexus part. Don't try to fool people into thinking this is anything other than people don't want to grind stuff.

The reason there so many threads about zodiac is it's the only step that hasn't been nerfed yet.

[Seig345]

Yea because no1 ever complained about the animus books, or alexander part, or the nexus part. Don't try to fool people into thinking this is anything other than people don't want to grind stuff.

The reason there so many threads about zodiac is it's the only step that hasn't been nerfed yet.

I'm fine with grinding stuff, in fact, despite being completely ignorant/lacking first-hand experience with these RNG dungeon drops that are apparently ahead of me, I'm looking forward to that compared to the books. But no one's asking for the grind to be removed, that's like someone asking you to turn the volume down a little and you responding by yanking the volume to 0 and crossing your arms in a huff.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I'm fine with grinding stuff, in fact, despite being completely ignorant/lacking first-hand experience with these RNG dungeon drops that are apparently ahead of me, I'm looking forward to that compared to the books. But no one's asking for the grind to be removed, that's like someone asking you to turn the volume down a little and you responding by yanking the volume to 0 and crossing your arms in a huff.

Well your one of the rare breed that is like me then. No1 even cares that atmas are RNG anymore cuz the upped the drop rate like 10x what it used to be. Make the zodiac item drop rate 75% - 80% and i guarantee all these dam threads would sink to the bottom. they wouldn't care that they had to run a dugneon 4 times while thier friend only did it once.

If they made it where the item dropped 100% but you needed 20 of each one for the quest. You would get twice as many threads. That's 320 dungeons and having a progress bar wouldn't mean jack.

[Seig345]

Well your one of the rare breed that is like me then. [...]

Now that I think about it... people do usually think it weirrd that, when I'm taking a break from the grind, I que up for the first several dungeons as a healer, occasionally as a tank, (with in-progress checked in case a party lost their tank or healer) just for the fun of it...

Still wish I could just have all 9 books at once though...

[Riepah]

The zodiac and zeta steps combined are still easier than the not RNG nexus step.

Sounds like you are the one who has a problem with grind then, not those you accuse of it. Light farming is grind, yeah. No RNG, though. Work for reward. That's fine, though. I've no issue with an honest grind.

RNG tends to screw some people over more than others. It doesn't miraculously even out as you seem to think.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Sounds like you are the one who has a problem with grind then, not those you accuse of it. Light farming is grind, yeah. No RNG, though. Work for reward. That's fine, though. I've no issue with an honest grind.

RNG tends to screw some people over more than others. It doesn't miraculously even out as you seem to think.

Nope I am the opposite, I like the zodiac weapon quest. Zodiac weapon and final coil is the only reason I've logged on for the last 4-5 months. Thats why it pains me to see SE trivialize the relics and the raids. I'm not mean just because I like to be mean. I'm mean because people want to trivialize the game I enjoy so much.

FFXIV 2.0 was popular for a reason, they appealed to as many people as possible; casual and "hardcore" alike. While there is more than enough casuals to keep this game afloat for a while, pushing out the other people will make for a less popular game.

[Ronivan]

I believe Bahamut Coils difficulty is for that, a chance to appeal to Hardcore players. We did most of the Bahamut place and I don't have anything to complain about it, its perfect balanced on party behavior, its something you have full control of. But RNG is just a way to make you lose to something you don't have control.I see no reason in doing more than 20 times a dungeon for no indication of whats happening.