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  1. #61
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    Hito-Shura's Avatar
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    Kaz Ashura
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    I managed to snatch the 7th place yesterday at the tournament with a fair amount of points and 10/15 victories!

    But today, I got down to 11th place because a bunch of people obviously traded wins together... It is very unlikely to see so many people with so many wins and points... I smell dirty play and it's not fair indeed...
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  2. #62
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    Ophie-Mio's Avatar
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    Yoongi Mio
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hito-Shura View Post
    But today, I got down to 11th place because a bunch of people obviously traded wins together... It is very unlikely to see so many people with so many wins and points... I smell dirty play and it's not fair indeed...
    SO obviously, eh? Do you smell dirty play or could it be that people entered into the tournament and they got the wins and points legitimately?
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  3. #63
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    CUTS3R's Avatar
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    F'lhinna Kutseru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taimara View Post
    My 2 cents:
    Make the tournaments against all NPCs in the world. Give the Lightning card to all participants and make the 1-3 ranks get a lot of MGP.

    Doubt S-E will do anything so I'm not going to bother.
    This SE, Do it.
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  4. #64
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    Utsu Aensland
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    A tournament vs NPCs would be really boring imo.

    We just need a matchmaking with ELO/MMR system.
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  5. #65
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    Drew_Moneroth's Avatar
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    Drew Moneroth
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    Disclaimer: What I did was wrong and I am in no way justifying my actions. I exploited the system. Also, please note the Triple Triad Tournament in no way interfers with the main game so purchase of wins in my view, while still cheating, is not pay to win in respect to the main game. Though it is for Triple Triad.

    As long as the system remains player controlled, this will continue to happen. If someone is willing enough to pull the people or resources together to establish a top score, it is possible as long as they manage the transaction. I will go ahead and admit I too attempted this and was pushed too 5th even with my resources. The difference between me and the other people win trading is I actually have 24 characters at least level 15 sitting around, and still only managed 5th due to two last minute players. You cannot beat well-organized, monopolized free companies no matter how hard you try.

    A computer based system needs to be established to weed out a good chunk of the problems. The roulette system would not work because the players could queue in a timely fashion. A GM managed system would not work because of man power wasted and time constraints. Point system wouldnt work because the randomized approach would isolate players with lower or higher point players.

    Unfortunately, the only sure fire way to prevent any means of cheating is to introduce a roulette system that, similar to the standard roulette for duty finder, only matches players from other servers and isolates people into brackets based on their deck limitations and highest card star value. This allows players stuck in the beginning circle to play others similar to them, allows those with two star access some middle ground against a possible Squall or Bartz, and grants the high tier player a standard high tier opponent. Too further prevent players from possibly queue timing, randomize selection by selecting a player then selecting six players after. Randomized of course, so the rotation is 2, 5, 6, etc. For point value, create two roulette options of higher ratio wins versus equal ratio opponents. This allows those wanting to go for maximum points to risk a lose while those wanting to stay on even ground to have a safer bet. What about those who lost 10 rounds? The same level player would at least boost them up to keep going. Sadly, at ten loses you are not going to reach a good position.

    The bottom line to this issue is organization. The only ways to properly deal with organization are fair sportsmanship and honesty (insert the Binder picture I saw previously), oversight (too many players, would need too many GMs), or absolute chaos (randomize, foreign interaction). I know the system I mentioned would isolate people who would want to play their friends or family in the tournament, but honestly if people are this upset with the way things are, non-tournament matches are still always available. Similar to any job, one person can ruin it for everyone, so the best way to help stabilize a fair system is to eliminate the chance to benefit with payment, reward, or obedience.

    P.S. I already sent SE a ingame Cheater notification on myself so yes, they at least know. Sad thing is I have the math behind me now to succeed next week. That is why we need a randomized, out server system.
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    Last edited by Drew_Moneroth; 03-11-2015 at 02:47 PM.

  6. #66
    Player MeiUshu's Avatar
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    Sophia Sormanu
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    playing a game to your advantage as long is not forbidden is not cheating imo, but then vision of people differs...

    Mei
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  7. #67
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    Chloe Li
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    I think a NPC version of TT tournament would be a interesting, and alternative, tournament to obtain the TT Tournament rewards.

    They could add exclusive TT Tournament NPCs in the mix of current TT NPCs to test out players against new TT NPC challenges they can't face outside of a NPC TT Tournament.
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  8. #68
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    Tobias Shadowmane
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    I thought the prizes couldn't be sold or traded and limit to one if in inventory, like other unique items. Personally, as logical the outcome is on the tourney loophole scenario. Is this the only way to be able to challenge other players? I'd be more surprised if people were really gaming the system by taking a dive if it means building up bulk currency for GS, and passing the expensive loot around to the in folks in their FC.
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  9. #69
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    Just incase there was any doubt at this point:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptm5FF9WRVI

    Video demonstrates someone who specifically made a character to prove that the tournament could be & was abused my many. He deleted the card in order to prevent match fixing cheaters/exploiters from obtaining card. SE have any plans to address the community on this matter?
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  10. #70
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    Yukihko Kuroshima
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    Oh comon, winsellers will rise soon!
    Please look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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