Dear Yoshi & Team: About Current TT Tournament Model

[Fyce]

Oh, it's not ideal, and like I said it'll still happen, and they're aware it'll still happen. But this is still a drastic improvement over "exploit the system or go home".

My point is that it will bring casual cheating to the "tournament". Currently, it's either "cheat very hard or just get 1k MPG", you are right.
But with these new things, it's now "cheat very hard or cheat a bit to secure your pack".

To pull this part specifically, his wording is

You can already earn rare cards through other means that high placements in tournaments. What cards, however, are currently purely locked to lead placements in tournaments? Exactly. It's entirely possible that it'll be a different set of cards specific to the Platinum Packs or something, but I feel it's a reasonable bet.

I didn't read it like that at first glance, you are probably right. Tournament cards will probably be available in Platinium packs.

So... if that's true, people will definitly want to secure their Platinium pack by win-trading, at least to have enough points to get it.

[Snugglebutt]

The reality is the only way to reduce win trading dramatically is through the game matching up players and not the players picking their own opponents, while it would still be possible to /tell the person your playing against through random match up that you will pay them gil to let you win, at least through random matching the cheaters wont be guaranteed wins from each person they play against because many would refuse to be paid off.

Even though it is nice that they acknowledge the system is broken right now and people are cheating their way to the top in the tournaments, it still doesn't make me feel good about either the current state of the tournaments, the cheating going on or how long I will have to wait for them to even try addressing the issue. The suggestions mention by Yoshi will not reduce win trading or cheating of the system very much, what is especially annoying is the actual attempted fix for the tournament wont happen for many months if not going to happen till after the expansion...this leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth metaphorically speaking because it means between now and then unless I cheat I will not stand any chance of getting in the top 3 of any tournament during all those between now and then.

They are not even going to implement the MGP increase for a long time so I may as well not care much at all about tournaments until 3-4 months from now. Despite acknowledging that they have a lot on their plate right now with 2.55 and 3.0, all the testing and finding ways to stop people cheating should of been done before it was even introduced. It feels like they never bothered thinking it through prior to release. On the platinum pack aspect, until I see it in game and how many points are required, the % chance for rare cards from them plus what rare cards would be gained...I have no intention to jump for joy.

[CompSci88]

Make it so you have to challenge 15 different npc's or players.... You cannot play a tournament match against a specific opponent more than once....


solved.


あなたは15種類のNPCのか、選手に挑戦する持っているので、あなたが何度も特定の相手とトーナメントの試合を再生することはできません....それを作る....

You really don't know how the current tournament work, do you?

[Kiara]

In a similar fashion, players who accumulate a certain number of tournament points (again, regardless of rank) will be rewarded with a platinum Triad card─which has the possibility of yielding a rare card. By offering a means to earn rare cards other than placing in the higher ranks, we hope to encourage more players to take part in Triple Triad tournaments.

This process of trial and error may continue for a while, but I look forward to hearing your thoughts and opinions on how we can make the game even better!

To: Yoshi P and Dev Team,

First off "Thank You!" for these adjustments. It's a good start to alleviating some of the issues with the Triple Triad Tournament.

* Platinum Triad Card - Please make sure that *all* Rare Tournament Reward Cards are added to the Platinum grouping.

As long as that is the case, then I think it gives *all* Players hope that even if they can't place in the Top of the Tournament, that they can earn these Rare Cards one day.

Also, I know you want rarity, but learn from your mistakes: Don't set the Percentage % Drop Rate (RNG) of the Platinum Rare to be too low (look at the lack of motivation from your Original Nightmare Mount drop from Garuda / Titan / Ifrit... it was so low it was just a joke, and no one bothered until you started raising the Drop Rate).

Thanks!

[Malakai]

The cheaters will always cheat because they can't play the game well enough to beat even the NPCs in the field (hence why you had to nerf the NPCs when they weren't "hard" in the first place) they just want cards w/out any effort. May as well throw the tourney winning cards up on the cash shop for them. Then you'll really see who the devoted TT players are because they will play for the enjoyment of winning and playing versus other people. Throwing up exclusive prizes to make everyone play without enforcing some strict rules is catering towards making people cheat to get the win. On top of it all if the tournament cards aren't part of the platinum booster pack there's no point in playing for the majority, regardless of how much MGP you add to the winnings. And if people find out per say you need to be on the top 20 board in order to get the booster pack then all people will do is continue to buy wins.

[Pterois]

* Platinum Triad Card - Please make sure that *all* Rare Tournament Reward Cards are added to the Platinum grouping.

As long as that is the case, then I think it gives *all* Players hope that even if they can't place in the Top of the Tournament, that they can earn these Rare Cards one day.

not only that but all the cards in the plat pack should have an equal chance at dropping like if it drops 4 cards each is 25%. If you if really want to push it have those 4 rotate to like 70% for 1 and 10% for the other 3, but certainly none of these .000006 drops rates we have been seeing.

[Nyalia]

not only that but all the cards in the plat pack should have an equal chance at dropping like if it drops 4 cards each is 25%. If you if really want to push it have those 4 rotate to like 70% for 1 and 10% for the other 3, but certainly none of these .000006 drops rates we have been seeing.

From what I've experienced, the drop rate of cards from packs corresponds to their relative drop rates from all other sources. Meaning, if a 5* card has 1/20th the chance of dropping compared to a 2* card when playing an NPC, and a pack can hold both a 2* card and a 5* card, you'll see ~20 of a specific 2* card from the pack for every one of the 5* you get. I kinda wish they were more even odds, but they're not. I've only obtained 2*s from all ~6 gold packs I've opened (almost entirely dupes), and I've never obtained a Lahabrea or Behemoth from the Silver or Bronze packs. Because of these odds, I've given up on getting the cards exclusive to the packs, and am spending my MGP on things that are actually interesting. Spending 2,000 MGP and getting nothing but 10 MGP from it is just depressing.

I would expect Platinum packs to be similar. But, a chance is better than nothing!

[KadenUlme]

I really like Yoshi-P, but it is important to remember what his job is and scrutinize his communication.

The tournament was a poor design. It might have been rushed in last minute or a key analyst was on vacation. It happens. The solutions proposed are mitigation tools. Why not something more? There isn't enough time.

The language he used deflected from a match finding solution not because he thinks it's a bad idea. In fact, I actually see where a queue system would engage more players as DF does for dungeon participation.

Bottom line, a broken design was released. There is no short term fix. Yoshi-P and the FFXIV team are not happy about it, but there isn't much they can do. I wasn't personally waiting excitedly for TT. I feel for those of you who were. Hopefully this experience will be educational and drive better design at the level we've come to expect for blitzball.

[Osiril]

AMENO

This is Great also good to see Holy Inquision acting.

YES

[kratier]

so your solution to the absolutely rigged win trading system in tournaments is to... reward them more when they win trade?

this reminds me of much of the systems in FFXIV, looks good on paper but implemented poorly