MGP too much of a grind

[Snugglebutt]

MGP grind is fine I think in general though I only do GATES, TT, both Cactpots and Chocobo Racing.

I do not play mini games much because reward is too low. Perhaps they could increase it slightly.

I also think they could increase the MGP refund from the card duplicates sold to the TT NPC.

[HakuroDK]

The only issue I see with MGP is as Angel said. Upping the MGP refund for card duplicates. Right now, the return is absolutely horrid.

Is 1M MGP a lot of points? Absolutely. But if you think about it, so is 10M Gil, and houses cost more than that, and with the way transfer rates work, 10m gil = 1m MGP.

So it's an investment of time and money to get those things. You need to devote a lot of time and energy if you want those 1M MGP rewards. Either that, or predict the future and win the Jumbo Cactpot twice in a row.

[Welsper59]

You are acting like winning the 10k daily jackpot is even remotely a sure thing. Or that doing it 100 times in a row is even remotely plausible. Or even possible (it's not). It should not even be considered as a factor, or in the very least, you should take the average jackpot won and use it as your variable. It's not even going to come close to 10k. Cherry picking data isn't influential.

... who said anything about the Cactpot being a sure thing? In fact, you didn't even mention the Cactpot at all. I literally started off by saying that it wasn't being included. LITERALLY SAID IT lol. It's implying that anything earned from Cactpot (doesn't have to be 10k) was not being included when I mentioned 3 months. So... even quicker than the mentioned 100 days if you luck out with daily/weekly Cactpot? I must emphasize again, that it's NOT including potential Cactpot earnings, as I've stated repeatedly. Maybe you were referring to the Cactpot, but there was ZERO indication in your post to suggest that. Pretending (or forgetting) that you did (or didn't) say certain things, combined with making up other things, is a very bad habit that I suggest you stop doing lol. As a side note, 10k per day is easily possible to do without much luck required, albeit mind numbingly boring for the handful of hours it might take (under 2 if you win against Indolent Soldier every minute).

Still though, these are long term investment items. If you want it fast, you're going to be dedicating a crapload of time to get it in this short time-span you're hoping to get it in. MMORPG, the genre that is designed to last a player YEARS, afterall. Why risk making every reward quick and easy to obtain, which then ends up boring any long term players by giving nothing to work towards? If all you want is something like the Fenrir mount, and nothing else about the Gold Saucer interests you or anyone else, then clearly... this content is not for you. Most of us, believe it or not, actually have fun with progressing towards the reward. It's fulfilling, in its own way. Something that, I'm assuming, you're viewing as tedious... probably because you're likely just thinking about the reward being so far away.

[Feron]

I must emphasize again, that it's NOT including potential Cactpot earnings, as I've stated repeatedly. [sic] As a side note, 10k per day is easily possible to do without much luck required, albeit mind numbingly boring for the handful of hours it might take (under 2 if you win against Indolent Soldier every minute).

I'm not pretending or ignoring anything, thanks. This whole argument is about subjective perceptions of tedium. You think "a handful of hours" every day for weeks on end is fine. I don't. That's the argument in a nutshell. You can assert that it's "easy"; ease has nothing to do with it. You can say that "its meant to last years" and I will boggle at that concept. Other people can use the tired excuse that people complaining "just want a handout", and that's equally ridiculous.

"Tedium" literally means "tiresome because of length or dullness". Admitting that something is "mind numbingly boring" is pretty much admitting that it's tedious, but whatever.

People's perspectives have gotten warped by years of MMO developers pushing out substandard products and people just gobbling it up because there's no alternative. The reason there's no alternative is because the consumers don't demand better.

There can be a happy medium between "handed out for free" and "tedious grind". The Saucer is not even close to being at that point, and people are entirely justified in complaining about it.

I'm done with this thread, so you can have the last word, and that will be that for my part. If this content "just isnt for me" then that's fine, and maybe ill unsubscribe, and FFXIV will lose another 15 bucks a month.

Because that's good for the health of the game. That's what lovers of this game should strive for: fewer subscriptions. Right? Sure.

[Aeyis]

The only issue I see with MGP is as Angel said. Upping the MGP refund for card duplicates. Right now, the return is absolutely horrid.

Is 1M MGP a lot of points? Absolutely. But if you think about it, so is 10M Gil, and houses cost more than that, and with the way transfer rates work, 10m gil = 1m MGP.

So it's an investment of time and money to get those things. You need to devote a lot of time and energy if you want those 1M MGP rewards. Either that, or predict the future and win the Jumbo Cactpot twice in a row.

Those transfer rates only go up to 500 GMP. That means there is no effective transfer rate, or value conversion between Gil and MGP.

Why risk making every reward quick and easy to obtain, which then ends up boring any long term players by giving nothing to work towards?

I'll say it outright, since apparently it wasnt clear from earlier posts made:
The GMP price of the highest purchable items is too high by about 100%, by hardcore grinder's standards.If it was half that price, it would still take a long ass grind, but not one that even a hardcore grinder thinks is a little too much. Naturally this is in comparison to all the available prices, and their sum.
That's not a complaint of ''wanting it now'', its a logic/sober assesment of an items price.

And lest not forget that this is only a mini-game in the actual MMO. For anyone that has other things to grind, these prices are well out of reach. Even over the course of months.

It is MGP, not GMP. Might be minor but you said it right once and wrong twice in the same post so just clarifying.

xD I get confused a lot with abbreviations. In this case I guess its my inner gatherer confusing me.

[Snugglebutt]

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It is MGP, not GMP. Might be minor but you said it right once and wrong twice in the same post so just clarifying.

[HakuroDK]

Those transfer rates only go up to 500 GMP. That means there is no effective transfer rate, or value conversion between Gil and MGP.

I know that. I'm merely using that as a measuring stick for how much value MGP has compared to Gil.

[Welsper59]

I'm not pretending or ignoring anything, thanks. This whole argument is about subjective perceptions of tedium. You think "a handful of hours" every day for weeks on end is fine. I don't. That's the argument in a nutshell. You can assert that it's "easy"; ease has nothing to do with it. You can say that "its meant to last years" and I will boggle at that concept. Other people can use the tired excuse that people complaining "just want a handout", and that's equally ridiculous.

"Tedium" literally means "tiresome because of length or dullness". Admitting that something is "mind numbingly boring" is pretty much admitting that it's tedious, but whatever.

People's perspectives have gotten warped by years of MMO developers pushing out substandard products and people just gobbling it up because there's no alternative. The reason there's no alternative is because the consumers don't demand better.

There can be a happy medium between "handed out for free" and "tedious grind". The Saucer is not even close to being at that point, and people are entirely justified in complaining about it.

LOL You really are a rather oblivious person, aren't you? I literally pointed out what you ignored, but you apparently don't believe that part of the argument existed so... okay man. That part of my post had nothing to do with subjective perceptions, as it literally was there lol. That's what I was referring to as you ignoring what you said, and why I replied with what I did. You are right, however about the subjective nature of "easy", something that I didn't dispute. The time investment part though, that's perfectly fine. You do what you need to do to get things done. It's called "planning". If you can only play a total of 5hrs a week, there's ZERO reason why you should expect to get anything at the same time as people who spend that long every day. It's how everything works. Can it be too long to get? SURE! But that's also subjective. See how that works? It's a two-way street.

The MMORPG genre, specifically this game for reference, has changed drastically for the better. If you were around over a decade ago playing these games, you'd probably see that fact. If you were actually around, it's unfortunate that you (along with some others) refuse to actually see what's in front of you. There is always room for improvement, but the time requirement for unnecessary side goods isn't exactly something too important lol. Maybe I'm just one of those people who don't mind a lengthy grind designed to take months, so long on my own personal terms (i.e. majority of the process being something I don't need to rely on others for). Surprise, surprise though... MMORPGs fit my perspective. It's like what I replied to someone else in a different thread about the high cost items.

Honestly, 1mil seems perfectly fine to me. It's a vanity mount meant to showcase prestige (and luck, in the case of winning the Jumbo Cactpot). No different than driving around expensive cars IRL. They showcase little to no practical use for anyone besides showing off or making yourself feel unique/above others. It'd be like the Fungah achievement title. Showcases little to no skill in having it, but it certainly is something for e-peen and personal achievement, which is exactly why these things exist.

If this content "just isnt for me" then that's fine, and maybe ill unsubscribe, and FFXIV will lose another 15 bucks a month.

Because that's good for the health of the game. That's what lovers of this game should strive for: fewer subscriptions. Right? Sure.

Better than negative players complaining all the time about things that are not intended for them. I think even the devs will agree that losing a few self-destructive players over decisions that concern the genre itself is of minimal to no loss in the grand scheme of things.

I say the same thing to everyone who says what you did. Trust me, you're not anywhere remotely as important as you might believe yourself to be, at least when it comes to being a subscription player. There are tons of players who quit and tons who join. This is how business works when you deal with an MMORPG. So again, if you do quit, you're still nothing but a generic statistic, just the same as the rest of us that stay. Welcome to the family. Now, stop crying for attention, as though you really believe you matter as an individual to a business catering to millions.

Then again, you'll probably ignore that part too, assuming you're lying about being done with this thread anyway. Continue on.

[Nasibihc]

Well honestly, somebody did the math here before so.. 133 hours of pure grinding just to get 1 mil MGP, multiply that with all the rewards possible from that place, cards mounts clothes etc.. the total sums up to more than 3 mil, which is an insane amount of MGP to grind with the current rates. Why grind and not "win big from lottery" well..

Even if you say "well just win the weekly lottery". Do you actually realize that the chances of winning 1 mil MGP from that is 1 chance out of 9999? That's 0.001% chance once, in one weeks time, in real life. Sure it makes sense in real life lottery yeah, but in an online MMO? No. I will probably NEVER win the jumbo cactpot lottery, ever, during the whole time this game is actually up and running and I'm playing it. It's almost the same as having 4 numbers correctly in real lottery, which I btw haven't got, ever, during my whole life. That's how low the odds are.

Even the achievements for winning a lot of cumulative MGP in the cact-lotteries, I find those really funny too. Because for example you'd need to win the mini cactpot 100 times with 10k payout to actually get 1 mil MGP total from it. Past few days I haven't even got the "chance" to win 10k from mini cactpot because the cards I have got, haven't even contained the "3 2 1" numbers in correct order on a row to actually win it and it's not that hard to figure out "which row" could contain them when all the numbers in the circles are from 1-9 and there's only one number of each one *GASP* Big shocker for people who haven't noticed that xD

Something should be done with this. Either the lotteries are held more often, like once a day for jumbo cactpot or once in 3 hours for the mini cactpot which actually would make more sense considering the odds they have or MGP risen up from everything you do. I can understand SE not wanting people complete this "in a month or in a week" but this will take years and nobody has the strength to farm all this and people usually tend to be "completive" in these kinds of games, they want to accomplish all they possibly can and obtain everything possible, as I am, so this is just depressing. Even farming 1 million MGP for anything is a lot already.

Even the card possibilities from all the dungeons / trials should be greatly increased. I don't really call it fun to do a certain trial (Ultros fight) 272 times just to get Terra drop and no this is not a lie, it took 3 days of intense grinding and only doing that fight alone. Now I'm like what 0/50 on shiva fight and 0/30 something on Thornmarch. 0/20 on big keep and ugh.. yeah, you get the idea, the odds are so low.

I don't like the fact that the only factor in obtaining something in this game is RNG. RNG this and RNG that with terribly low odds. There should be a "hidden" counter in this game, that whatever you decide to do that can drop for you and you alone, cards etc. Each and every time you complete a certain objective and are not lucky enough to obtain it, you should get a 0.01% chance increase in obtaining it the next time. So in minimum how unlucky you ever are, you could only possibly do it 100 times before you are sure to get it. As RNG works now, it is entirely possible for you to spend the rest of your life doing something and never obtaining it, which shouldn't be the case at all, ever in an mmo people play for fun and entertainment.

So yeah, these were just stupid frustrated ideas about this whole system, but I'm fairly sure that they will do something about these rates because they are not ok how they are at the moment anyways.

[RobinRethiel]

MMO = Grind. (massively multiplayer online withstanding) Some worse than others. For this game I'd say it fits with SE's take on grinding. You don't like it? Vote with your wallet. Crying about it won't change a thing.

Actually, only bad MMO's are grindy, and I don't really want FF14 to become a bad MMO. Games should be fun, not mind-numbing.