MGP too much of a grind

[RobinRethiel]

What's up with all these completionists in here? Didn't yoshi-p repeatedly mention that he wants XIV to be like a theme park? - with gameplay styles and long term goals for any type of player. Be it a casual mmo-player, raider or someone who's already content with socializing whilst enjoying GS attractions.

Casuals never will get anything of this. Casuals play a few hours at max - per week! They will not even get those 60 cards together for an effective TT grind. It's exactly those high prices and low MGP gain, which make Gold Saucer very elitist and not in the slightest casual.

I don't even care for that mount, but even if you want to do the chocobo race (the main gameplay of Gold Saucer now), you need a lot of MGP, because even there is a lot of RNG, which will cost you 10000nds of MGP.

[Aeyis]

The MMORPG genre, specifically this game for reference, has changed drastically for the better. If you were around over a decade ago playing these games, you'd probably see that fact.

MMOs went from grinds, to RNG + grind. Such a wonderful improvement for the better. As I believe I've mentioned before in one thread or another; it's those who grinds are intended for that are making mention of the prices in MGP being a bit too high. (they should be around 50%, for the highest prices that are currently at 1M)

[Moqi]

People's perspectives have gotten warped by years of MMO developers pushing out substandard products and people just gobbling it up because there's no alternative. The reason there's no alternative is because the consumers don't demand better.

This is the most reasonable post on the forum. I feel like arguing with a brainwashed mass of people anytime I mention a grind, so used to it they don't even have any arguments to defent it except "it's always been this way" or "but this other game is way worse!". Baffling. I'm glad I took a step back, put all the time I wasted on them in perspective and realized how little it was worth before I got sucked in the MMO mentality.

[ServerCollaps]

Even if you say "well just win the weekly lottery". Do you actually realize that the chances of winning 1 mil MGP from that is 1 chance out of 9999? That's 0.001% chance once

the chance is 0.01%

gold saucer will be the main attraction for the next 3.5 months until hw will be released
if you play tripl triad for only 1.5 hours per day you'll get your fenrir mount, if you win some cactpots and do some gates you'll accumulate another 200-300k mgp for setzer outfit or other vanity stuff

everyone can get nearly everything with that minimal effort until the 23th june

the ratio is okay I think

[RedAntares]

Casuals never will get anything of this. Casuals play a few hours at max - per week! They will not even get those 60 cards together for an effective TT grind. It's exactly those high prices and low MGP gain, which make Gold Saucer very elitist and not in the slightest casual.

Actually... you don't really need a 3 star deck to be able to farm MGP, you can farm Indolent Imperial with a 2 star deck and win 90% of the time (mostly using beast tribe cards), and he's the NPC that gives the higher rewards, so no need to get those 60 cards, those are needed if you want to breeze through some of the NPC with the harder decks like Swift in Ul'dah.

[Nex]

The MGP gain in "the main attraction" Chocobo Racing is crushing. It's a pitiful amount of MGP that nowhere near adds up to all the feeds/waters/covering slips you'll be needing. Doesn't feel right that after 10's hours of grinding a chocobo up to 40 I then have to go and grind that damn Imperial for MGP because I have nowhere near enough to roll the horrific RNG dice more than 3 or 4 times on covering chocobos. Grind grind grind grind grind in the 1 part of the game that should have been the welcome break from the huge grind that is the rest of the game. It's a nice way of keeping us distracted from the lack of TT cards, GS attractions and prizes though.

[Welsper59]

MMOs went from grinds, to RNG + grind. Such a wonderful improvement for the better. As I believe I've mentioned before in one thread or another; it's those who grinds are intended for that are making mention of the prices in MGP being a bit too high. (they should be around 50%, for the highest prices that are currently at 1M)

I dunno, some folks are well into the 300k, if not over the 400k MGP range earned already. I'm over 200k personally since last week, and I really don't go for MGP as much as more dedicated grinders do (I do work and have an outside social life from time to time, after all). In fact, most of my hours were spent in the last week with farming cards from NPCs and raids, not exactly a high profit venture for MGP in tackling Swift, Rowena, and whatever his name is in South Shroud for Odin.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...l_the_minions/

I REALLY don't think the grind for 1mil is that far off given how short of a time its been since 2.51 release. In an MMORPG a 1-2 month grind, if not 3 month average, is NOT unexpected. If you want something, you go for it. If you want it fast, you need to find a way to get it fast, regardless of what it takes. 500k for what most would consider the most luxurious items, given how fast we can obtain them if we actually try to efficiently, isn't exactly what I would call a long-term goal... which is precisely what they are designed to be. Maybe I'm just out of touch with the rush mentality of people these days, particularly with the MMORPG genre.

Although, truth be told, I really do think they'll lower the price at some point. Maybe even raise the reward yields by a slight amount. But the lowered price, if it happens, most likely won't be until much later in the game. As in late this year, at earliest, so that time has been allotted to those who are striving for it and want to show it off (since that's literally all it's good for). Once the novelty appeal has died down and it's no longer seen as "new", then it might happen.

[RobinRethiel]

Actually... you don't really need a 3 star deck to be able to farm MGP, you can farm Indolent Imperial with a 2 star deck and win 90% of the time (mostly using beast tribe cards), and he's the NPC that gives the higher rewards, so no need to get those 60 cards, those are needed if you want to breeze through some of the NPC with the harder decks like Swift in Ul'dah.

You may not need it, but it's a lot easier and you can get a 100% win rate.

I dunno, some folks are well into the 300k, if not over the 400k MGP range earned already. I'm over 200k personally since last week, and I really don't go for MGP as much as more dedicated grinders do (I do work and have an outside social life from time to time, after all). In fact, most of my hours were spent in the last week with farming cards from NPCs and raids, not exactly a high profit venture for MGP in tackling Swift, Rowena, and whatever his name is in South Shroud for Odin.

You are lucky or you are grinding. Just because some people play this game 24/7 and got more MGP, does not make 200k a low value.

I already lost tenthousands of MPG just for doing chocobo race, because the game likes to kick me in the teeth.

Buying a breeding chocobo: eight 1 star ratings. -> Trash
Buying a breeding chocobo: eight 1 star ratings. -> Trash
Buying a breeding chocobo: eight 1 star ratings. -> Trash
Buying a breeding chocobo: four 1 star ratings: let's try. -> Breeding process: all 1 stars are dominant. -> Trash
Buying a breeding chocobo: eight 1 star ratings. -> Trash
and so on...

And no, those Chocobos they seemed to have made egg & bacon out of it, exist in all pedigress, there are no better chocobos in higher pedigress. One of those eight 1 star chocobos has been a pedigree 9 chocobo. Pretty sure, they are still very nice birds, but they will never win a race.

Although, truth be told, I really do think they'll lower the price at some point. Maybe even raise the reward yields by a slight amount. But the lowered price, if it happens, most likely won't be until much later in the game.

Fine. And why? Gold Saucer should be a fun park inside this game, not the biggest grind of all. The nice thing of all mini games inside all FF games has been, that they let you do something else. But grinding is grinding, there is no difference in killing monsters, fishing or playing Triple Triad, if you have to do it 10000 times. It all becomes mindless clicking. And in the end, the program just laughes at you and wastes another 3-4 hours of TT grind in 2 seconds, like above. Just because you want to play the only real long term thing in Gold Saucer...

So why wait? Why not reward all players now, why not make EVERYTHING fun and rewarding to play. It's not as if those vanity items or mounts are THAT special or that you could buy super weapons or moves inside the Gold Saucer, like in FF7 (which got pretty much no RNG and by far not that grind, and THAT made it so much fun).

I really don't know, why they ruined the best parts of the original goldsaucer. Everything new (all the RNG and pretty much no way to earn MGPs) they added made it worse.

Higher rewards would mean, people would get things faster? The thing is:
Those people, who got the "right brain" for grinding, will get it anyway. And by focusing on those people, who can and do grind 24/7 and adjust the prizes to them, you are acting against the mass of your "normal" players, who don't play 24/7. Who Play 2/3 or 3/5 - and probably want to use this time in a different way, than spending it on 1000 TT games. You are ruining all the fun there could be in Gold Saucer, because it becomes pointless. There is grind, luck or just forget it after a few days. On my server, the Gold Saucer already lost many players. Sure. People look at it. See, that even for simple things they need to grind like hell, and leave, at least the Gold Saucer.

In FF7 you got great rewards for Chocobo Racing. And of course you got the arena, it was the main source for GP, on the level of lottery, but with actual gameplay and without luck, even the random buff/debuff system you could handle. It's okay (but sad), that they could not implement an arena. But then they must compensate it.

I just try to save the Gold Saucer. The way as it is, the mass of players will get bored out of it pretty quickly. Many just say: And again RNG... (and they are sounding VERY annoyed).

[Moqi]

So why wait? Why not reward all players now, why not make EVERYTHING fun and rewarding to play.

Amen. FFXIV has become and endless chase. There's never any time to enjoy what you just got anymore because the grind is so time consuming and frustrating that you either get fed up with that content and don't want to see it again, or it's time to grind again for whatever else comes next. The only time I ever feel like "nice, I finally got what I wanted and I can't wait to use it" is when I change glamour. Everything else is more like "it's finally over. Oh wait, there's more".


It would be ok if there weren't enough time to get everything because there is just so much to do, at least I know I'm getting way more than my money worth, but it only takes that much time because they dilute it with RNG and high prices. For the last 2 patches I've felt like they've focues more on how to stretch content for as long as possible instead of how to make it fun. People will play TT and races even after they've obtained every card and every reward. We play with real cards all the time with no reward!

[Duuude007]

A vast majority of the player base.. so the vast majority of subbers have things to do other then spend 24/7 grinding. EVEN with 24/7 grinding it will take roughly two weeks to get everything in the GS. There is a MMO grind.. and then there is SE milk you dry till you cry grind.

If a person wants everything soon as possible so they never have to take a step into Gold Saucer again, that is their prerogative. Doesn't seem like a fun way to go about it, but whatever, their choice.

To suggest that merely because people have jobs and family means that the majority of us want instant gratification is however, very naive. Don't speak for us as if you know what all of us want out of the game. Many of us are satisfied to earn what we can given the time we have available to us.

When 2.5 came out, I was finally able to say "I have no reasonable way to stay ahead of all of the content they have implemented." The warm and fuzzy feeling I got from saying that was truly satisfying, I am grateful FFXIV has become a game that people can play hardcore and still only have accessed the tip of the iceberg.