It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Priya]

All else aside, this would be way too much pay to win as long as SE includes things like the materia step in the Relic quest. I'd sure as shit pay other people's subs so I don't have to buy or SB materia. I've got more money than gil.

[Juneri]

While I do find some merit in many of your points this would still end up pay to win. There are plenty of people that buy runs and giving them a legitimate way of essentially buying the gil would only make that happen even more.

And while the gil supply might not increase, the concentration of where it is could still cause inflation. The people buying gil could easily push up the prices on a select few items, and when they run out of gil they just sell more game time to the people they bought the stuff of of and the gil would just keep changing hands between very few people essentially locking out most of the rest of the playerbase from those markets.

This might work in EVE where the market is a big big part of the game, but I don't think it would work in FFXIV. Even WoW with it's bigger playerbase might be able to diminish the effects but I could see this very easily wrecking some of the smaller servers here.

[AlexionSkylark]

People who desperately want housing purchase a ton of tokens with real life money, sell them for gil

OMG, you really believe there is so many people out there willing to shell out 100s of dollars just to become a game's real state speculator? Oh wow, now we're going inside the realm of insanity. This is NOT going to happen. People who work and have jobs and family don't normally throw away money at a computer screen that easily. Unless you're talking about someone who's handsomely rich IRL. How many of those you believe there are in a single server? Please.

I want my effort in-game to dictate my rewards, not what I do outside of it.

So you go and do it! PLEX wouldn't hurt the economy in any way, if much it'd help LOWER inflation, cuz of the massive gil sink it would be. As in, the gil YOU are not sinking would be given to someone who will. Your ability to make gill wouldn't be hurt in any way thinkable. Stop worrying so much about how other people are gonna get their stuff.

Stop thinking that because you are younger or have more free time you have the right to be a special snowflake, entitled to not having more ppl into your exclusive club. Newsflash, you don't.

I could see this very easily wrecking some of the smaller servers here.

Actually, as the price for it is mostly player-regulated, a PLEX in a small server would be sold to a much smaller value than it is sold in a big server...

Oh yeah, and about TERA, it had a very expressive playerbase at launch. It's selling point NEVER was the Elin porn, the majority of player characters aren't even Elin. It was the action-oriented, kingdom-hearts-esque combat with no tab targeting. Still is to this day, BTW.

[Bishop81]

While I do find some merit in many of your points this would still end up pay to win. There are plenty of people that buy runs and giving them a legitimate way of essentially buying the gil would only make that happen even more.

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This might work in EVE where the market is a big big part of the game, but I don't think it would work in FFXIV. Even WoW with it's bigger playerbase might be able to diminish the effects but I could see this very easily wrecking some of the smaller servers here.

Oh come on, this is already happening. Ever heard of buying coil or primal ex run? Heck, the nutters who can HQ 4-star items, these people are pooling points for wealth.

You should also note that people selling game time for gil, compete among themselves and pull down the price, limiting the amount of gil they can make.

[chrillix]

OMG, you really believe there is so many people out there willing to shell out 100s of dollars just to become a game's real state speculator? Oh wow, now we're going inside the realm of insanity. This is NOT going to happen. People who work and have jobs and family don't normally throw away money at a computer screen that easily. Unless you're talking about someone who's handsomely rich IRL. How many of those you believe there are in a single server? Please.

Housing was just one example of what this system could be used to ruin. Judging by the amount of people that had PF adds up to sell Platinum Bands for gil, I'd say there are quite a few people who would actually do this.

So you go and do it! PLEX wouldn't hurt the economy in any way, if much it'd help LOWER inflation, cuz of the massive gil sink it would be. As in, the gil YOU are not sinking would be given to someone who will. Your ability to make gill wouldn't be hurt in any way thinkable. Stop worrying so much about how other people are gonna get their stuff.

I agree that my ability to make gil wouldn't be hurt. In fact, my ability to make gil would probably increase as people looking to spend gil would just buy PLEX, sell it, then have more gil to spend. Do I think that's proper? Absolutely not. Not hurting the economy? You are giving someone the ability to directly influence the economy by buying gil that they normally wouldn't be able to recieve. They can then use that gil to manipulate the economy in ways they normally wouldn't be able to.

Stop thinking that because you are younger or have more free time you have the right to be a special snowflake, entitled to not having more ppl into your exclusive club. Newsflash, you don't.

That is a huge assumption on your part, and completely false. You know nothing about me. I don't have loads of free time, but I'm very good at making gil with the small amounts of time I have. How about this? Stop thinking that because you have extra money to spend, that you should be able to acquire everything in-game that you want without actually playing the game. If you aren't willing to put in the time to get what you want, then you really need to find a new genre of game to play. As for being entitled? Yes I definitely feel "entitled" to having more than someone who doesn't want to put any effort into the game, but instead wants it given to them on account of how much disposable real life income they have.

[Tiggy]

OMG, you really believe there is so many people out there willing to shell out 100s of dollars just to become a game's real state speculator?

I don't know how you went from people buying houses because they want one (which was clearly the context of his sentence) to people shelling out thousands and buying every plot. Escalate things much for no reason? Oh that's right. That how straw men are created. Keep what he said in context please since your over exaggerations don't really help.

So you go and do it! PLEX wouldn't hurt the economy in any way, if much it'd help LOWER inflation, cuz of the massive gil sink it would be.

You clearly have no idea how game economies work if you really think it wouldn't hurt the economy "in any way" and that you actually think it would lower inflation. That's really ignorant of how things actually work in the real world.

As in, the gil YOU are not sinking would be given to someone who will. Your ability to make gill wouldn't be hurt in any way thinkable.

This is why I know you don't understand how economies work. Inflation happens when too much money is spread around the economy. When other people have too much money they are more willing to spend it on items which in turn makes the price of goods increase. That is literally inflation. So yes, I do worry about how other people make money since the effect on the economy directly effects me every single day. You should care too.

Your ability to make gill wouldn't be hurt in any way thinkable. Stop worrying so much about how other people are gonna get their stuff.

This is a distraction. Trying to put up that other person as a paragon of selfishness when the first crime is you not understand how MMO economies work. As you showed us with the previous examples.

[Duuude007]

I said no when people like OP challenged this in beta.

I said hell no when people like OP challenged this at launch.

I say hell TF no when people like OP challenge this now.

As Yoshida has inferred on multiple occasions, and I agree, I would rather see this game die... than let people exploit a loophole around paying to play.

...and this is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

[GodAlmighty]

I have been steadily subscribed since the Alpha of this game, and this idea ...

would 100% end my subscription forever.

[NinjaTaru72]

I worry this would promote rmt more actually.

Look at it this way.

(on my server)
Platinum wedding cost 25$.
People sell it for 2-3m(from what I've heard.)

Plex would be $15(just to make it easy)

So would sell for (assumably) around 800-1.5m

RMT sell 1m for like 5$.

*this would cause something like this next statement to happen*

"OK so I am poor. I can out 5$ to rmt for 1m and buy a month of game that would be 15$. Let's just do that every month."

This now rmt is now getting more money and putting more shouts/bits in our game.


So I say no thanks to Plex.

[Krazymagic]

Put me down as being against the idea. Its not needed. It has no upsides to the game as a whole. It causes inflation in the game economy. So tired of peolpe wanting to fast tract everything in games these days. Instant gratification seems to trump the process, yet instant gratification also leads to the death of games and communities. Games are much more meaningful and fun when you work and earn things through playing, rather than just being able to instantly grab them.