It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Laerad3993]

So since there's already one bad system in place, add more?

No.

I never said yes. Put simply, ways already exist, and if their data shows people are in favor of it, more will follow most likely. You also need to take into account that generally these things are implemented far out into the future. We now, shouldn't get to dictate what happens in 4 years. We may not even be playing, or alive for that matter. Change is eventually necessary. We don't need a system like this right now, but in 4 years when a lot of people are gone and numbers slide?

[Ceodore]

I would agree there. One a month would be perfect. You'd have the people though with multiple accounts able to bypass this sort of thing though unless they locked it to your IP somehow, and I have no idea if that is possible. A lot of regulation would have to go into this to flawlessly execute it.

People with multiple accounts will by pass a lot of systems anyways. Even if they do get around a once a month restriction, they are few when compared to the majority of players who play this game. If you block it to be just one IP address, even an IP address can be tampered with by someone with enough computer know how. I've done such myself before. Further, if they are going to be paying for two subscriptions, essentially double the price normal players have to pay anyways, then I see no harm as long as they are still following the rules of 1 per month per account. The more they wish to make in gil, then they will be paying for sub and scroll together. It is hardly a system which the normal player or even the sane player would continue to do.

Also, it is possible to ban by IP address, and even full IP range, so it is possible to limit by IP address.

[Tiggy]

Look at this new interview with Yoshi-P.

http://www.pangamers.com/gaming/fina...-and-crafting/

A quote from the interview if you will.

So, just because ESO moved into a free-to-play subscription model, it doesn’t necessarily mean for us to move into that direction as well. Also, for use we have taken player surveys and took a look at what our customer satisfaction level is and we actually garnered data that shows that over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model and they feel very assured that it is a constant. You are safe to be in that environment, and you know that you can expect a decent amount of updates and content. So, we don’t believe that FFXIV needs to shift in that direction and not everything that other competitors or titles do will necessarily apply to our title.
If WOW ever goes completely free-to-play, maybe we will consider it. (Laughs)

They don't seem to be too concerned with how things are going guys. Nothing more to see here.

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[Laerad3993]

Look at this new interview with Yoshi-P.

http://www.pangamers.com/gaming/fina...-and-crafting/

A quote from the interview if you will.



They don't seem to be too concerned with how things are going guys. Nothing more to see here.

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Yoshida doesn't own SE, and also isn't one of the people in charge at SE. If you can post proof that he has the absolute final say in all financial dealings with this game I'll drop out of this thread and not post in it again.

[Snugglebutt]

I never said yes. Put simply, ways already exist, and if their data shows people are in favor of it, more will follow most likely. You also need to take into account that generally these things are implemented far out into the future. We now, shouldn't get to dictate what happens in 4 years. We may not even be playing, or alive for that matter. Change is eventually necessary. We don't need a system like this right now, but in 4 years when a lot of people are gone and numbers slide?

SE has given no indication that they plan to implement such a system and there is no evidence that it is anywhere on their agenda. So feel free to stick around waiting for those 4 years you just mentioned to see if anything changes by then but right now and for the foreseeable future there is currently no evidence of plans by SE to implement such P2W systems. Any current flaws like with dyes or rings/bracelets where people are misusing them SE has already said openly and in public that people need to stop else they will be forced to change it and restrict it because people are not using it for it's intended purpose (I do not care how many times by the way you claim SE secretly told you differently, prove it if going to make such claims).

They have also stated they are against P2W too hence why they restricted the cash shop to vanity only items tried to keep them them un-tradable/un-sellable, these forums erupted with anger when the cash shop was originally mentioned (something I doubt they wish to repeat) because of not only people against items limited to the shop but also the concern that would would do things like suggested in this thread where it becomes P2W through converting real money to in game gil which would then be used to buy housing, pay others for runs and clearing content/gaining loot and crafting gears and resources using gil bought with that real money...it would literally be P2W in every sense if they allowed it. Now if you want to hang around and wait to see if in future they add such systems then be aware you will be probably waiting one hell of a long time.

If you want to play a game that supports such features and services like P2W ones mentioned here then why not go play those ones. A vast amount of people like myself came to this one because of it being subscription based and because of SE's stance of being against offering such services. I do not see SE changing their stance and alienating a lot of their current subscribers just because some people on here ask them to do so, especially when the people who ask for them to do so are perfectly happy using the current system else they would not be playing this one with it's current stance against offering such services...so changing it will lose them a lot of their subscribers if change their stance yet not changing it will lose them none as evidenced by the people asking for it here being subscribers still despite SE not offering such P2W systems. As for how many they would gain to make up for that loss if changed their stance, you have no proof they would gain enough to make up for it.

[Tiggy]

Yoshida doesn't own SE, and also isn't one of the 3 in charge. If you can post proof that he has the absolute final say in all financial dealings with this game I'll drop out of this thread and not post in it again.

Wow. So you can't even take the director of the games own words? Just wow at this point.

Enjoy your fairy tale land where you still think this is a possibility. The man has spoken. The majority, 80%, are happy. We actually have a statistic now!

[Laerad3993]

Wow. So you can't even take the director of the games own words? Just wow at this point.

No, I can't, because he is the one given directions as to what to do, he doesn't give SE directions on what to do, and he also doesn't own the Final Fantasy IP. I'd like you to look at the Tour video and tell me who's name pops up in the first 10 seconds. Pretty sure it says Square Enix. Enjoy your fairy tale land where you think they really care about it and the effect is will have on a few people. What world do you live in where the people that own the company don't have the final say on things if and when money is an issue or becomes and issue? We so live in a world where it comes down to customers > profit and what's best for the company. The only time customers will come first is if crap hits the fan, and they need to keep the game afloat. You think they're going to look to people like you who aren't going to dole out that extra cash? Lolno. Hello PLEX type system, cash shop, retainers, mounts, pets, name changes, fantasia, or some other thing I am unaware of currently. These things exist already for a reason, and they probably rake in a buttload just off of the name changes and fantasias monthly. Or do you deny that too and believe it to be a figment of your imagination?

The link you also posted (OMG LOOK AT THIS INTERVIEW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PLEX) had and has NOTHING TO DO WITH A PLEX SYSTEM lol. It blatantly talks about ESO and its shift to F2P. The thread was about a PLEX system, not making the game F2P. How is the implementation of this system, without actually moving FFXIV to a F2P model, F2P? I like how you tried to twist that around with the nothing to see here. You know people actually click on the links right and can think for themselves? It was not relevant, and just a cheap attempt for you to scream out I'M RIGHT, EVERYONE LOOK AT ME. I'm at post limit today anyway, so I am out.

If you want to play a game that supports such features and services like P2W ones mentioned here then why not go play those ones. A vast amount of people like myself came to this one because of it being subscription based and because of SE's stance of being against offering such services. I do not see SE changing their stance and alienating a lot of their current subscribers just because some people on here ask them to do so, especially when the people who ask for them to do so are perfectly happy using the current system else they would not be playing this one with it's current stance against offering such services...so changing it will lose them a lot of their subscribers if change their stance yet not changing it will lose them none as evidenced by the people asking for it here being subscribers still despite not not offering such P2W systems.

I am perfectly content here, and actually came from WoW, which I am pretty sure the last 8+ years was Sub based.... Lol. I also have of course played many "f2p" games, but always opted for the sub if it was available. You seriously think you people are the only ones that play this game? There are two sides here, not just yours, so get over yourselves. A lot of players, alienate their playerbase, talk about a complex. I am most certainly not taking the side you have been fighting for. I remain neutral, as I have said I WOULDN'T purchase such a thing with real cash, only with Gil in game as I would like a way to not pay real cash for the game. I would love a system like this, but I do know it has its downsides. None of you actually read these posts, do you? Just skim to see and hear and believe what you want? I posted proof of what I have seen and encountered, and even that wasn't good enough for you, lol. I'm pretty sure that even if Yoshida came into this thread and posted saying it was going to happen, you'd all jump at it and instantly start assuming his account was hacked, or that he was possessed.

The burden of proof is on the side of those who are asking/demanding for such a system. We have provided more than enough proof to our side in terms of SE's stance on P2W services like one suggested here which converts real life money for in game gil at which point can be then used to gain a vast array of in game advantages like buying runs/loot, housing, gear, materials and more. We have also provided evidence that the occasion like with ring/bracelets SE stance was they are against anyone misusing it to gain in game financial advantages and that if people keep doing it they will be forced to change it because it is not being used as intended. We know for a fact the cash shop was designed and being used in a way to keep such P2W advantages out of it.

So we do not need Yoshi to come in here and tell us what we already know which is they have no plans to implement such P2W systems and that their stance is against such systems. You are not neutral, you have taken a stance on the issue and as such cannot be considered neutral anymore, your stance being you want it. It is that side of which you stand on the other hand that has kept trying to claim SE is going to do it despite evidence to the contrary. We know for a Yoshi is happy with the current system as shown in the interview Tiggy linked too which also showed they have done the research and 80% of people are happy with the current system.

I know for a fact they will lose customers if they abandon their stance on this issue, I am one of them among many others who have in the past said such on here but they will not lose you as you already said your content here with the current system and they would probably not lose anyone if they do not change their stance so the burden of proof is again on you to prove that the new customers they might gain would make up for all of us they would lose.

Whatever kid, believe what you want, spin your tale however you see fit. I am on MY side, and that is, to enjoy the game and move forward however the game so chooses. I am not inherently against or for the system. Quit putting words in my mouth and quit speaking for everyone. I am against people like you, and Tiggy, and all others that fearmonger others into believing your cause. So if it appears as if I have chosen a side, you now know why.

Someone provide the poll/data please, since Yoshida apparently polled/gathered data on the playerbase on this subject. We are all about PROOF up in this thread after all, and I just cannot believe this and neither should you, until I/we see the hard raw data. There is no way 80% of the playerbase is against it, unless he just sits here on the forums and counts this as the majority of players, and if that's the case, everyone should just jump ship now. 80% of people? How many people? 4 million registered accounts, and most likely 55% of them RMT/Botters. So 45% of the accounts are actual people/players, and 80% of those people are against it? I don't think so.

[Magis]

and my favorite part is you are desperately begging SE to turn around and make it customers < profit.

Thankfully that isn't the case, so I guess you should check out the billion other failed f2p games that implement pay 2 win ideas like this.

[Tiggy]

Lol, whatever man. It's relevant to the spirit of the topic and that should be pretty obvious. As I said enjoy your dreamland. This thread is done for me and Yoshi-P has confirmed my faith that this game is in good hands.

[Elleoille]

Look at this new interview with Yoshi-P.

http://www.pangamers.com/gaming/fina...-and-crafting/

A quote from the interview if you will.



They don't seem to be too concerned with how things are going guys. Nothing more to see here.

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That's awesome

I left ESO because they switched to the B2P model.

FFXI seems to be doing very well, with tons of people everywhere. I think I'm going to enjoy this game for quite awhile.