It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Moqi]

Denial of what? I just hope FFXIV makes as much money as possible. I want KH3 to be polished.

[Giantbane]

They were very clear. Most of the players are happy (80%) and therefore Square is content with the current model. Find a way to deal with it.

To be fair, PLEX isn't really free 2 play like Elder Scrolls is (the comparison made in the article), somebody is paying for the subscriptions. Like the current cash shop, this is more of a modification on the pay 2 play system. The fee is still being paid every month.

The real proponents of this are those with way too much money and those who believe this will help combat the absurd RMT spam that's been going on lately.

[Fyce]

They're content because it makes money, not because costumers are happy. If they see it'll bring more profit this way, they'll switch in a second. But keep thinking they care about your happiness if they're not getting as much money as they think they should.

Are you implying that "our happiness" isn't related to how much the game is popular/successful and how much money they'll make out of that?
You know, when I reminded you about the failure of FFXIV at launch, and that FFXIV wasn't a shitty F2P, it wasn't for nothing.

Player satisfaction is the key to a stable an healthy MMO, especially in the long run.
If the players are happy with the current system, don't try to change it thinking it would magically make more money than the old one.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[MomomiMomi]

Are you implying that "our happiness" isn't related to how much the game is popular/successful and how much money they'll make out of that?
You know, when I reminded you about the failure of FFXIV at launch, and that FFXIV wasn't a shitty F2P, it wasn't for nothing.

Player satisfaction is the key to a stable an healthy MMO, especially in the long run.
If the players are happy with the current system, don't try to change it thinking it would magically make more money than the old one.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

While you are correct that player satisfaction is important, I wouldn't think for a second that if they could get away with making more money at the expense of our satisfaction, they would pass up the opportunity.

[Tiggy]

Denial of what? I just hope FFXIV makes as much money as possible. I want KH3 to be polished.

Every little one of your "if they" lines where you seem to suppose to know what they are thinking just to somehow keep the door open on this idea. It's denial. They said 80% of the players are happy "So, we don’t believe that FFXIV needs to shift in that direction." To them it doesn't appear to be solely about making money. Honestly this game is doing nothing but selling and making headlines so I don't know why you think this is a problem to begin with ESPECIALLY since this game brought them into the black within months of launch.

Using KH3 is a serious distraction and irrelevant to the overall discussion in this thread. We all want square to succeed. This thread was never about them succeeding or not in their other endeavors. It was solely about "It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV." Square has clearly evaluated their model and the level of satisfaction customers get from it. So quite honestly they did reevaluate these ideas internally already. They decided not to change the model. That's all there is to it.

Just because they don't take up a plex system does not mean they won't make enough money to make a killer KH game or any other great game. It's a fallacy to assume the quality of KH3 solely rides on the success of FFXIV or that it's solely riding on the profits from FFXIV. Disney has quite a bit riding on the game too and they help fund it quite nicely. Do you really think Disney wouldn't be throwing money at the single best Disney video game series ever released?

So please. Don't drop KH3 into this thread like it somehow justifies a Plex like system. It doesn't. It's a completely different conversation.

To be fair, PLEX isn't really free 2 play like Elder Scrolls is (the comparison made in the article), somebody is paying for the subscriptions.

The point was that they've clearly done the research and evaluated systems in other games. They've determined players are happy and no change is needed. Do you really think Plex like systems weren't in that internal discussion? 80% of players are happy with the way things are now. That happiness includes the lack of a plex system. Not just that it's not a f2p game. Every poster here saying they don't want a plex model is an example of how such a system would make people unhappy and would decrease that 80% satisfaction level.

This isn't rocket science.

While you are correct that player satisfaction is important, I wouldn't think for a second that if they could get away with making more money at the expense of our satisfaction, they would pass up the opportunity.

Have you not been paying attention to Square in the last few years?
1. 1.0 bombed so they made it free.
2. They remade the entire game solely to win back disappointed fans at a great financial cost.
3. They included the ps3 version despite it's limitations just because they once promised it would come to ps3.
4. The servers at launch were woefully inadequate and their specific reason was they thought they would have to win fans back.

It's very clear that from the moment 1.0 came out that Square was doing everything in it's power to make people happy, to win fans back, and to fulfill past promises. It's clearly been their priority to make their fans happy. Your assertion that they would go money hungry at the first opportunity flies completely in the face of their behavior so far for FFXIV and in the face of that interview response. You're making assumptions because you're cynical about companies as money hungry organizations. That's a stereotype that doesn't for any reason appear to fit to Square in this context.

[Giantbane]

The point was that they've clearly done the research and evaluated systems in other games. They've determined players are happy and no change is needed. Do you really think Plex like systems weren't in that internal discussion? 80% of players are happy with the way things are now. That happiness includes the lack of a plex system. Not just that it's not a f2p game. Every poster here saying they don't want a plex model is an example of how such a system would make people unhappy and would decrease that 80% satisfaction level.

This isn't rocket science.

The answer was in response to Elder Scrolls, which is going completely free. And they said they'd consider completely free only if WoW did it. Neither of those things have anything to do with a PLEX system.

Doesn't mean they'll change it. But if you're taking that specific article to back up your argument that "SE SEZ NO PLEX EVAR", I don't think it holds a lot of water.

Especially because they said they'd only change their model "If WoW did". WoW is introducing a PLEX system. I think it's very likely SE will see how PLEX works for WoW and evaluate it based on that.

[Moqi]

t's very clear that from the moment 1.0 came out that Square was doing everything in it's power to make people happy, to win fans back, and to fulfill past promises. It's clearly been their priority to make their fans happy.

It's called PR, grats, you fell for it.

[Lamentations]

@ Lamentations

I think you forgot the one that seems to come across the strongest to me.

4) People who want to be able to get something for nothing, i.e. "I don't want to have to pay for the game I'm playing."

Ex:

Nah, but I see where your going, I just think category 2) covers him as well.

I don't believe he wants something for nothing, I believe he wants a F2P financial model where he can buy his way to the top of the game with cash, he wants advantage.

I have seen/heard people complain about $13.00 per month sub fees who will then spend 10x that amount every 3-4 months on every shiny/advantage in the next cash shop update, it's ludicrous.

They either suck at math which I don't buy because everyone has a calculator on their I-phone or whatever their packing around today, or its just lies, I lean toward the latter.

They then call you noob, scrub or whatever because you don't have the capital to do so, or call you conceited because your just not stupid enough to buy all that shit, while most likely sucking far harder at the game than you do because you had to get there the hard way, again ludicrous.

As I said before, a lot of gamers simply approach gaming with this philosophy now, and they are most likely not a minority anymore.

I personally don't consider them "gamers", they just create more lag.

[Laerad3993]

Nah, but I see where your going, I just think category 2) covers him as well.

I don't believe he wants something for nothing, I believe he wants a F2P financial model where he can buy his way to the top of the game with cash, he wants advantage.


As I said before, a lot of gamers simply approach gaming with this philosophy now, and they are most likely not a minority anymore.

I personally don't consider them "gamers", they just create more lag.

Going to have to ask you to quit making things up about me and quit with the insinuations.


My reasons were clearly stated why I wanted PLEX. I have a lot of Gil and since it's easy to accumulate, I'd much rather spend that than actual cash. Pretty sure what you're doing bridges on Slandering another player, which is against forum rules, yes? Do you along with the others have some sort of reading comprehension issues? Just skimming and seeing what you want to make your arguments? Quit making things up and trying to hint to others that I'd use it only for my own financial gain in game.


Talk about being an ass. Maybe people call you a noob and make fun of you in game for this kind of reason, making baseless claims about them. I've never once called a player in this game a noob, or made fun of them for the way they choose to play. I don't have anything past T5 done in terms of actual raiding, but have everything else including all EX primal done, and I'm sure that qualifies me as a noob to most players here.


I did nothing wrong or mean to warrant you blasting my character in game by defending a way to play without using real money, and my opinion matters just as much as everyone else's in terms of the topic, PLEX. Why not think before you post again, and quit assuming things and making blanket statements about people.

[Lamentations]

Going to have to ask you to quit making things up about me and quit with the insinuations.


My reasons were clearly stated why I wanted PLEX. I have a lot of Gil and since it's easy to accumulate, I'd much rather spend that than actual cash. Pretty sure what you're doing bridges on Slandering another player, which is against forum rules, yes? Do you along with the others have some sort of reading comprehension issues? Just skimming and seeing what you want to make your arguments? Quit making things up and trying to hint to others that I'd use it only for my own financial gain in game.


Talk about being an ass.

Pretty sure your a tad touchy, I never mentioned "you", go back, read it carefully, I don't see your "name" in that post anywhere, if you think he refers to you, well I guess that's how you see it.

Sorry "baseless" claim, I never mentioned you by name, you did, try again.