It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Magis]

I'm all for some "official way" for people to purchase in game currency If it gets rid of the constant spam from gold farmers.

Guess what? It won't. Still saw em in EVE last time I played and they invented PLEX.

[Intaki]

Guess what? It won't. Still saw em in EVE last time I played and they invented PLEX.

Sure you did. Just not on anything approaching the same scale as you might here or in WoW.

RMT may exist in EVE, but I know from firsthand experience that it's pretty horrifically neutered there.

I think real money should never under any circumstances be allowed to effect the in game economy.

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

[Tiggy]

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Did you seriously completely ignore the quote from the moderator above? Seriously? Do you normally ignore posts inconvenient to your point? I'm not entertaining you as long as you continue to ignore what people are saying.

SE allows players to buy wedding bands and sell them for gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy extra retainers which are leveraged for an increased capacity to generate gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy dyes and charge gil for their use on other players' equipment; yes or no?

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Don't really care about your questions since you're blatantly ignoring this quote to justify even asking them. Also Bayohne's post here clearly show that they DO care. So please, keep ignoring the post that's inconveient to your story. I'm sure it will continue to put you into a strong bargaining position. Lol.

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

You're acting like willful ignorance is ok solely because they haven't acted. It isn't. This whole point is a straw man to begin with and is a complete distraction from any real discussion about a plex like system. I'm done with you.

[Intaki]

Did you seriously completely ignore the quote from the moderator above? Seriously? Do you normally ignore posts inconvenient to your point? I'm not entertaining you as long as you continue to ignore what people are saying.

SE allows players to buy wedding bands and sell them for gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy extra retainers which are leveraged for an increased capacity to generate gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy dyes and charge gil for their use on other players' equipment; yes or no?

Your concession is noted. I'm glad you finally realized how wrong you are and are stepping out of the conversation.

[MageBlack]

Sure you did. Just not on anything approaching the same scale as you might here or in WoW.

RMT may exist in EVE, but I know from firsthand experience that it's pretty horrifically neutered there.

I think that is more due to popularity and age making the cost/benefit for mass RMT attention kinda low. but it is still played by some dedicated players so they are still present. I doubt they're less active because of anything Eve did. WoW is hugly popular, even to this day so their presence there is highly beneficial to the growth of the RMT buisness. FFXIV is new and gaining in popularity, they also wouldnt be here if they werent making money.

Why is the blame always put on the company for the existance of RMT's in the first place? That's like saying "She got rapes cause of the skirt she was wearing, she was askin for it!" had she took better measures to prevent it it wouldnt have happened. Why are we not blaming the RMT's and the people buying it? Well, maybe you are, i don't know. Regardless the PLEX system will not be a glory fix for this like others suggest.

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

That quote was earlier on in the page. So, by your own admission, there are already ways for players to "legit" buy gill (in this twisted round about way) so why add yet another way to do this? The ways its works currently are not supposed to do this and if the trend continues, they will change it. it is NOT their intent, so why would you think they will put a system that DOES this into the game intentionally.

Honestly, i don't really care either way. Gil is almost useless in the game anyway, all the higher tier stuff is U/U and earned through Marks/Tombs/etc the only real big thing that it might effect is housing, which is a disaster in and of itself. Other than that, what can you buy with gil that is of any significance?

[Havenchild]

Why is the blame always put on the company for the existance of RMT's in the first place? That's like saying "She got rapes cause of the skirt she was wearing, she was askin for it!" had she took better measures to prevent it it wouldnt have happened. Why are we not blaming the RMT's and the people buying it? Well, maybe you are, i don't know.

Because this falls on the publisher to safeguard against. RMT can be challenged by an active task force which can heavily impact RMT transactions. RMT can actually become near nonexistent with an active task force. Many private servers of different MMOs for example, have tackled this problem by heavy bans concerning these transactions. If private servers can do it, with scrubs from around the world pitching in, how can a money backed corporation who can hire staff for it, not be able to contend against this threat?

Idk what accounts they are baning in those monthly announcements but they sure haven't banned any of the gold buyers I know. They are most likely baning simply the accounts that are doing the actual tells. Common sense would tell you this is not solving anything, as no gil seller, is likely advertising with an account all the gil is actually on. They need to monitor closely trade transactions amongst players, especially those who are reported and suspected of gil buying.

When RMT do not find your game profitable they do disappear. You know it's taking affect when the RMT tells dwindle and the price of what a dollar is worth goes way up.

[MomomiMomi]

Honestly, i don't really care either way. Gil is almost useless in the game anyway, all the higher tier stuff is U/U and earned through Marks/Tombs/etc the only real big thing that it might effect is housing, which is a disaster in and of itself. Other than that, what can you buy with gil that is of any significance?

Nothing. There is nothing for me to really buy with my gil. So I personally would like to see this added.

[CGMidlander]

Honestly, i don't really care either way. Gil is almost useless in the game anyway, all the higher tier stuff is U/U and earned through Marks/Tombs/etc the only real big thing that it might effect is housing, which is a disaster in and of itself. Other than that, what can you buy with gil that is of any significance?

Have you ever tried to pentameld accessories with Grade 4 materia? I assure you, it's not cheap.

[Elleoille]

I played Eve for years and don't ever recall seeing ISK spammers. RMT is a big no-no and will get your account banned. If they are there they work very quietly.

In this game, it's pretty horrible. The farmers need to be put out of business, and the best way to do that is to remove the need to use them. Or at least a way to permanently block them from chat. It's SO ANNOYING!

It's actually my only gripe with this game. Well, that and skin textures and lighting could use an update to stay competitive with the new mmos coming out. Characters still look really good though, and the world looks amazing

Limited to 3 posts? Blah! Edit:

...By encouraging people to spend money for gil? Its a problem, let's cut out the eye to spite the face.

RMT is a problem because of people who want instant gratification, and are often willing to cheat to get what they want.
Legalizing RMT is a way to cheat without penalty.

How is this good again?

I wouldn't prefer "cash shop gil" because I like a game with a dynamic player-run economy, but they really need to do something about the gil sellers.

[Duuude007]

Considering the degree of customization and character building that exists in the game, some might argue EVE is more of an RPG than FFXIV.

Because of more customization? What does that have to do with RPGs and not thousands of other non- RPGs.

This is tangential to the topic, but whatever. I consider it an RPG if it features story-driven development of persistent characters via the making of consequential choices. But your opinion is different, great, let's move on.

I played Eve for years and don't ever recall seeing ISK spammers. RMT is a big no-no and will get your account banned. If they are there they work very quietly.

In this game, it's pretty horrible. The farmers need to be put out of business, and the best way to do that is to remove the need to use them.

...By encouraging people to spend money for gil? Its a problem, let's cut out the eye to spite the face.

RMT is a problem because of people who want instant gratification, and are often willing to cheat to get what they want.
Legalizing RMT is a way to cheat without penalty.

How is this good again?