It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Magis]

Yeah, exclusivity doesn't matter... that's why Savage Coil did so well OH **** WAIT IT DIDN'T! I think we should apply this ACROSS THE GAME! Items need some worth (most of it coming from exclusivity), otherwise there is no carrot on the stick.

If it is a flaw in the system and not working as intended, then surely SE is taking steps to fix the problem. And if they aren't, then why do you think that is?

And you need to work on your reading comprehension. Thanks to this lovely little system I got to spend a trivial amount of in-game money (for me) on something that would have otherwise cost me $20.

They did take steps, they asked players to stop doing it. If it was "working as intended" they'd flat out tell people they could do it. The PR disaster and work needed to roll back everyone's accounts (if even possible) would be more work then it is worth.

[Intaki]

They did take steps, they asked players to stop doing it. If it was "working as intended" they'd flat out tell people they could do it.

I didn't ask about what they said. I asked what they did. And what they did is tell players that no steps were being taken to change the situation and that no punishments would be issued to anyone who partakes in the system of trading gil for wedding bands.

[Magis]

I didn't ask about what they said. I asked what they did. And what they did is tell players that no steps were being taken to change the situation and that no punishments would be issued to anyone who partakes in the system of trading gil for wedding bands.

"What the did" and "What they said" is the same thing, what are you even babbling about? No, actually the GMs were telling people to read between the lines and totally actually meant they wanted this to happen. This is why we can convert IRL money int.... oh wait that isn't the case, and hasn't been since EB came out. You really are reaching aren't you?

If the GM said "this is bad" but decided not to punish player for doing so due to their mistake, it doesn't all of a sudden mean the opposite and turn into "actually we are 100% fine with this". Same shit with people exploiting the levequests to fast level their characters. No one was banned over it but SE did patch it out and say this wasn't suppose to happen.

[Intaki]

"What the did" and "What they said" is the same thing, what are you even babbling about? No, actually the GMs were telling people to read between the lines and totally actually meant they wanted this to happen. This is why we can convert IRL money int.... oh wait that isn't the case, and hasn't been since EB came out. You really are reach aren't you.

SE straight out came forward and said (with their actions, if not words) that buying gil with real money via rings was entirely legit and they would do nothing to penalize the people who chose to engage in that activity. This is a fact that you really don't seem to be fond of.

[Tiggy]

SE straight out came forward and said (with their actions, if not words) that buying gil with real money via rings was entirely legit and they would do nothing to penalize the people who chose to engage in that activity. This is a fact that you really don't seem to be fond of.

Lol what? No they didn't. They specifically asked players not to do it and that they didn't want them to do it.

Pay 2 Win at what? Coil? Crafting? Gearing?

Are you completely unaware of what people in this thread have been asking for that I have to explain it to you? I'm sorry if you're this many pages deep and you don't even understand the kind of trade goods they have been arguing on about for pages then that's on you. I'm not going to be a book report.

Also, that quote you dropped of mine doesn't prove your point in the slightest. Stop trying to distract the point of the discussion with straw men that have nothing to do with it. I'm not going to argue the merits of any individual purchases using plex like tokens in game. That's not the point of this thread. That has more to do with game balance than plex and you damn well know it. You could theoretically buy anything in the game with the gil you gain by trading tokens. That's a deeply personal issue to each player and his goals.

[Intaki]

Lol what? No they didn't. They specifically asked players not to do it and that they didn't want them to do it.

Oh! Really? So what steps are they planning to take to stop it? I mean, if they're so against it, surely these horrible players buying gil with money are going to have the book thrown at them hard by SE!

[Tiggy]

Oh! Really? So what steps are they planning to take to stop it? I mean, if they're so against it, surely these horrible players buying gil with money are going to have the book thrown at them hard by SE!

At what point did taking steps have ANYTHING AT ALL to do with words type on a page instructing their intent? You seem to think two unrelated things (actions and words) are equal. They aren't.

Lack of enforcement does not mean it's ok when they explicitly said it wasn't ok. You're using lack of enforcement as an excuse.

[Havenchild]

Are you completely unaware of what people in this thread have been asking for that I have to explain it to you? I'm sorry if you're this many pages deep and you don't even understand the kind of trade goods they have been arguing on about for pages then that's on you. I'm not going to be a book report.

This entire thread is RMT and Inflation sans maybe a few people who mentioned subscriptions taking a hit because of this.

I've talked about how this subscription model would affect Inflation.

I've talked about how RMT does not directly equal P2W as most people seem to believe as well as expanded on how RMT is in this game already but SE is NOT getting anything anything for it. I've argued this same point in the promise bracelet debate and will continue to do so. Onto that point I've elaborated on how P2W in this game is a very big misconception.

Nothing I've said is a strawman as it is all related. The only strawman here is you trying to find one, to devalue others opinions.

Go read the dev comment if you want, they never said people would be banned for it. Like I said in the post that you quoted, they specifically stated that if people continue to do it they will look into an alternative solution.

They know it was their mistake, but they also know that not many people are going to buy a $20 bracelet and sell it for 1.2 mil when RMT is selling 10 mil for the same price. There is hardly anybody selling them now that hype has died and they sell incredibly slow, hence the 1.2 million gil price. Nobody gets banned for buying gil from RMT either, that doesn't mean it's ok for you to do it.

You are 100% correct they did say this. What I got from Intaki's post was sarcasm. He's basically saying RMT is being allowed to be a legitimate practice in essence of not being punishable. I've known several Gold Buyers on my small time server alone who have bought several millions in gold to buy runs for the content. They do not get banned. These are known players in the community. I'm very sure this situation is not very different on other servers. Those people who sell runs constantly? They know who the Gold Buyers are and they all see those same people daily most of the time.

[Elleoille]

I'm all for some "official way" for people to purchase in game currency If it gets rid of the constant spam from gold farmers.

[Tiggy]

I've talked about how RMT does not directly equal P2W as most people seem to believe as well as expanded on how RMT is in this game already but SE is NOT getting anything anything for it. I've argued this same point in the promise bracelet debate and will continue to do so. Onto that point I've elaborated on how P2W in this game is a very big misconception. .

I believe the misconception is yours to assume I've been arguing from a solely anti p2w situation. I think real money should never under any circumstances be allowed to effect the in game economy. Period. (This includes wedding bracelets. They should be made untradable or specifically gift-able from the purchase screen) My problem isn't with p2w specifically, although it isn't unrelated to the conversation especially depending on how square would implement it. So if that was your point then it shouldn't be directed at me at all.

To your point however there were many posts near the earlier parts of this thread specifically using buying in game houses as a by product of these tokens. Something that is currently very pricey, and rare. If a user used tokens to get tons of money so that he was ready to buy a new house the day new houses were added he would then get one where someone who saved the old fashioned way wouldn't because they took longer to save up. That token allowed him to have the money quickly in order to buy the house over another legit user who didn't pay money for tokens. That IS a form of p2w and someone DID bring it up in this thread. So while it's not my primary argument please don't assume tokens have no p2w aspects to it. The p2w aspects come completely from users using the gil gained from rmt tokens to do something before someone who didn't spend the real money on tokens could. It doesn't matter what the item is. If a patch drops and new crafting items appear those tokens could give a player so much extra cash from trades that he can now tackle the new crafts and gain a dominate market position. Solely due the money gained from token trades. More p2w. It's not that hard to see where p2w fits into this picture.