It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[DoctorPepper]

The term "Pay to Win" was created in freemium games where the items bought in cash shops were IMPOSSIBLE to be obtained otherwise, making people who pay the only ones with the best equipment. It can be expanded to "if you don't pay, you don't win". Now THAT is utterly wrong.

Really? Every time I've ever heard somebody mention pay to win it was because people were able to obtain the best items in the game using real money. It seems like you just pulled that out of your rear to be honest.

Buying gil allows you to buy coil runs and the best crafted gear in the game, that's a fact that you seem to be ignoring. Since you can buy the best stuff in the game using gil that makes having a legitimate way to buy gil pay to win in my opinion. If you couldn't buy the best stuff in the game with gil then I might be a little more open to it but you can and that's a fact, period.

What do I know though, I've only been playing MMORPGs for the last 15 years.

[AlexionSkylark]

What do I know though, I've only been playing MMORPGs for the last 15 years.

15 here here also, began with Ultima Online WAAAAY back in the distant year of 1999. So you don't have the "my stick is bigger than yours" card.

Anyhow, I continue making the question that nobody answers: WHY is it so wrong? How does other people's rewards affect YOUR playing? Will a PLEX somehow remove your ability to run Coil?

Just because the bragging rights are worth less? This is just selfishness and elitism. "mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

[DoctorPepper]

15 here here also, began with Ultima Online WAAAAY back in the distant year of 1999. So you don't have the "my stick is bigger than yours" card.

Anyhow, I continue making the question that nobody answers: WHY is it so wrong? How does other people's rewards affect YOUR playing.
Just because the bragging rights are worth less? This is just selfishness and elitism. "mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

lol I just answered your question based on my own opinion, it's not my fault you want to ignore it and pretend I didn't answer it. I told you why I think it's wrong and I find it amusing that you quoted the last sentence of my post rather than the factual information I posted before it.

I also never said my stick is bigger than yours, I said that I have 15 years of experience in order to emphasize that I have experience on the subject we're talking about. If you want to take it as an insult, ignore my entire post, and then get defensive trying to insult me like a child then go ahead. I'm at work and this thread is amusing me so have at it.

[Duuude007]

"mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

FFXIV content was never exclusive, no matter how much you want to label it as such to forward your agenda.

You learn the ropes, network with the right people, bam, opportunity.

NOW let's turn the tables on your argument.

Player x spends 3 hours a day on the game for 6 months, and is a week away from affording the only available house on the market. Player plans to work on craft sales and close the gap as fast as he can within the ToS.

Player y spends 3 hours a day on the game for 6 months, and is a week away from affording the only available house on the market. Player Y is impatient and wants to gurantee rights to said house by buying it now. Player Y breaks ToS and secretly buys gil to close the gap and purchase the house today.

equal footing, unfair, opportunity.

Cheating.

To say that YOU are entitled to such a head start because you bribe the right people? I thought you had integrity.

[Magis]

Yeah, exclusivity doesn't matter... that's why Savage Coil did so well OH **** WAIT IT DIDN'T! I think we should apply this ACROSS THE GAME! Items need some worth (most of it coming from exclusivity), otherwise there is no carrot on the stick.

If it is a flaw in the system and not working as intended, then surely SE is taking steps to fix the problem. And if they aren't, then why do you think that is?

And you need to work on your reading comprehension. Thanks to this lovely little system I got to spend a trivial amount of in-game money (for me) on something that would have otherwise cost me $20.

They did take steps, they asked players to stop doing it. If it was "working as intended" they'd flat out tell people they could do it. The PR disaster and work needed to roll back everyone's accounts (if even possible) would be more work then it is worth.

[Intaki]

They did take steps, they asked players to stop doing it. If it was "working as intended" they'd flat out tell people they could do it.

I didn't ask about what they said. I asked what they did. And what they did is tell players that no steps were being taken to change the situation and that no punishments would be issued to anyone who partakes in the system of trading gil for wedding bands.

[Magis]

I didn't ask about what they said. I asked what they did. And what they did is tell players that no steps were being taken to change the situation and that no punishments would be issued to anyone who partakes in the system of trading gil for wedding bands.

"What the did" and "What they said" is the same thing, what are you even babbling about? No, actually the GMs were telling people to read between the lines and totally actually meant they wanted this to happen. This is why we can convert IRL money int.... oh wait that isn't the case, and hasn't been since EB came out. You really are reaching aren't you?

If the GM said "this is bad" but decided not to punish player for doing so due to their mistake, it doesn't all of a sudden mean the opposite and turn into "actually we are 100% fine with this". Same shit with people exploiting the levequests to fast level their characters. No one was banned over it but SE did patch it out and say this wasn't suppose to happen.

[Intaki]

"What the did" and "What they said" is the same thing, what are you even babbling about? No, actually the GMs were telling people to read between the lines and totally actually meant they wanted this to happen. This is why we can convert IRL money int.... oh wait that isn't the case, and hasn't been since EB came out. You really are reach aren't you.

SE straight out came forward and said (with their actions, if not words) that buying gil with real money via rings was entirely legit and they would do nothing to penalize the people who chose to engage in that activity. This is a fact that you really don't seem to be fond of.

[Tiggy]

I didn't ask about what they said. I asked what they did. And what they did is tell players that no steps were being taken to change the situation and that no punishments would be issued to anyone who partakes in the system of trading gil for wedding bands.

That still doesn't mean anything to support your specific claim. It could be as simple as they realized early that while they don't like it the rate at which they sell is so low it isn't a big deal and they can put it off to later since they are busy working on the Saucer and Expansion right now. It can be just that simple. It does not automatically make your correct or that they'd be ok with this kind of system. You're making assumptions about their intent solely because of silence.