It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Snugglebutt]

I'm pretty sure that even if Yoshida came into this thread and posted saying it was going to happen, you'd all jump at it and instantly start assuming his account was hacked, or that he was possessed.

The burden of proof is on the side of those who are asking/demanding for such a system. We have provided more than enough proof to our side in terms of SE's stance on P2W services like one suggested here which converts real life money for in game gil at which point can be then used to gain a vast array of in game advantages like buying runs/loot, housing, gear, materials and more. We have also provided evidence that the occasion like with ring/bracelets, SE stance was they are against anyone misusing it to gain in game financial advantages and that if people keep doing it they will be forced to change it because it is not being used as intended. We know for a fact the cash shop was designed and being used in a way to keep such P2W advantages out of it.

So we do not need Yoshi to come in here and tell us what we already know which is they have no plans to implement such P2W systems and that their stance is against such systems. You are also not neutral, you have taken a stance on the issue and as such cannot be considered neutral anymore, your stance being you want it and are arguing for it. It is that side of which you stand on the other hand that has kept trying to claim SE is going to do it despite evidence to the contrary. We know for a fact Yoshi is happy with the current system as shown in the interview Tiggy linked too which also showed they have done the research and over 80% of people are happy with the current system. The rest I assume can't be that unhappy about it or they wouldn't be here still.

I know for a fact they will lose customers if they abandon their stance on this issue and allow such P2W systems like one mentioned here, I am one of them they would lose among many others who have in the past said such on here but they will not lose you as you already said your content here with the current system and they would probably not lose anyone else if they do not change their stance so the burden of proof is again on you to prove that the new customers they might or might not gain would make up for all of us they would lose. Also as Yoshi said himself "...just because ESO moved into a free-to-play subscription model, it doesn’t necessarily mean for us to move into that direction as well." "...we don’t believe that FFXIV needs to shift in that direction and not everything that other competitors or titles do will necessarily apply to our title."

[Ceodore]

Okay guys, I think it's pretty safe to assume that SE isn't going to this model anytime soon. Let's stick to bouncing around ideas about how best to implement such a model so the game can live and thrive through it. I know I have quite rigorously stated in previous posts how a system like this when unchecked and out of control can damage a game significantly. That's well established beyond question at this point. Let's see people bounce more ideas around about how a system like this can be regulated and controlled to a degree enough that it's not the end of a game.

[nuyu11]

Oh what a nice thread, munching Popcorn.

I love seeing people desperately trying to persuade their surrounding.
Either you fail as a Gil farmer or real money earner.

[Duuude007]

Okay guys, I think it's pretty safe to assume that SE isn't going to this model anytime soon. Let's stick to bouncing around ideas about how best to implement such a model so the game can live and thrive through it. I know I have quite rigorously stated in previous posts how a system like this when unchecked and out of control can damage a game significantly. That's well established beyond question at this point. Let's see people bounce more ideas around about how a system like this can be regulated and controlled to a degree enough that it's not the end of a game.

But any checks would undermine their ability to exploit other players. If they can't cheat the way they want to, why cheat at all.

(I know, I know... Why does a dog lick himself? "because he can")

[Lamentations]

People who make noise for these types of systems generally fit into 3 categories;

1) someone else does it so why isn't it done here?,

2) people with deep bank accounts who feel cheated somehow that they cant use their money to easily bypass timesinks etc. in a game as well as be "Leet" over the peasants, and

3) the English (or whatever fits) is my first language savvy hacker/gilseller who is trying to pitch an advantage for their business.

The first is obvious, SE has a longstanding policy of staying away from such systems, the second is simple immaturity, laziness, and self centered supposed superiority, and the third simply speaks for itself.

What is so disturbing is that unlike SE many game companies have for years been "conditioning" with P2W freemium style bullshit a large percentage of the new gamer population to just "expect" to be able to "buy" their way to the top of their games.

These game publishers laugh all the way to the bank, to me it begs the question why these "gamers" game at all.

They just "sell" themselves.

[Lamentations]

Okay guys, I think it's pretty safe to assume that SE isn't going to this model anytime soon. Let's stick to bouncing around ideas about how best to implement such a model so the game can live and thrive through it. I know I have quite rigorously stated in previous posts how a system like this when unchecked and out of control can damage a game significantly. That's well established beyond question at this point. Let's see people bounce more ideas around about how a system like this can be regulated and controlled to a degree enough that it's not the end of a game.

3993 does have one (one) uncontestable point Ceodore, Yoshi-P doesn't have the last say in financial matters concerning Xiv, anyone who believes this is just fooling themselves.

The continued financial success of the monthly sub model with Xiv will tell the tale, regardless I do not believe SE will ever do this based on their past history as well as the sentiments of "Xivs" player pop.

They do however have a WWII MMO out that to my knowledge more closely reflects the current popular financial model direction, although I haven't looked at that games progress in some time. I believe this game was in development already by one of the companies that SE absorbed in recent times.

SE "is" getting to be an "island" amongs't publishers with this stance, and as I mentioned before their is precedent as well as "mounting pressure" from the new conditioned gamer crowd for games to travel in the direction the OP suggests, so he doesn't consider this some sort of larceny Dramul who has a longstanding gamers grasp on this has mentioned it in other threads.

The fact that the OP has gotten 34 likes is somewhat "telling" to me about how this P2W conditioning has permeated the online gaming market these days, although Magis subsequent 49 likes heartened me somewhat.

Years ago I cast a jaundiced eye when cash shops first popped on the scene, they screamed ripoff to me and still do, vanity only be damned.

My eyebrows did go up when the cash shop was first announced, but I held a wait and see attitude about it, so far in my opinion it's nothing to worry about.

Other games I have played have "promised" to never move beyond "vanity" cash shops, or to run systems like this crappy plex deal.

To date they "all" have a perfect 100% record, they "all" lied, as I said the ones "I have played".

In one of those games the lead developer was shown the front door for promising players certain things the company that subsequently bought the IP didn't want to hold themselves to, he didn't have the last say either.

In the end it's always about the bottom line and if the profits start to fade promises and/or longstanding policies often fade with them.

While I don't see SE being bought out anytime soon, all we can do is wait and see.

[Snugglebutt]

Whatever kid...

Really? "Kid"? Based on that rather immature attempt to belittle me via the insinuation that I am a child I am going to assume I am not the younger of the two of us nor the least mature. Either way we have Yoshi backing up what we have been saying in opposition to the claims by others that SE will be implementing this P2W type system described by the OP on top of SE backing up our position through their actions and own words in matters of P2W services like the one described here. The premise and most of the discussions within this thread are now moot, as such I am now going to bow out of this thread as nothing more needs to be said here leaving the rest of you to argue about it.

[Tiggy]

I can't help but laugh at the suggestion Yoshi-P has no control over this at all. What makes you guys think his quote doesn't already reflect the internal business decisions anyway? You think he just made that statement flippantly? He had statistics. They obviously did their homework. Really grasping at straws guys.

[MageBlack]

I can't help but laugh at the suggestion Yoshi-P has no control over this at all. What makes you guys think his quote doesn't already reflect the internal business decisions anyway? You think he just made that statement flippantly? He had statistics. They obviously did their homework. Really grasping at straws guys.

He's the spokesperson for the game. He's the figurehead and I'm sure he has better knowledge of what the higher ups have in mind than ANY of us here on the forums. When he laughs at changing their subscription model when %80+ of his playerbase is content with what we have, I feel as you do Tiggy, reassured.

If people actually want a better thermometer to gauge the financial direction of FFXIV, just look at FFXI, its 10+ years old and STILL going on a sub model with less than half the playerbase as FFXIV. When they change their model, I might start to raise an eyebrow. Might...

[TouchandFeel]

@ Lamentations

I think you forgot the one that seems to come across the strongest to me.

4) People who want to be able to get something for nothing, i.e. "I don't want to have to pay for the game I'm playing."

Ex:

I for one would like a way to earn/purchase gametime without having to actually use real money.