It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Dererk]

I'm quite sure that this will never happen for reasons as to it make people do a lot of work to buy the time with gil than actually play the game.

So no this will never happen it would cause a big imbalance in game and would take fun out of it because people will be farming stuff all day every day to make the gil they need to buy time from some one.

Its not needed so stop arguing about it and if you really need something like this because you can't afford the sub...then get a friking job real life job sell some of your things for go food for a day because if your already a active player you can afford the sub so just play the game.

[Moqi]

lol ok we lie to ourselves but the post above yours is exactly what jandor is talking about.

[MageBlack]

I have my Legacy account status. The discount is enough for me.

[Dererk]

Dude keep quiet they gona complain more.

[NolLacnala]

Plex works in EVE because CCP simultaneously implemented a bloodhound team who are one step away from rabid when it comes to dealing with RMT and botters. A Plex system will NOT work in FFXIV due to SE's lax ban wave system where they "get around to it eventually." Putting a purchasable time system in, without taking a heavy and active hand against gil sellers, would simply enable them to empty out the market of all game time for sale, further fueling them.

As much as a system like this would benefit the game, it CANNOT function with current GM enforcement methods.

[MomomiMomi]

Putting a purchasable time system in, without taking a heavy and active hand against gil sellers, would simply enable them to empty out the market of all game time for sale, further fueling them.

So, you're worried that RMT are going to give their customers what they want (gil) while letting SE take their profit?

Why would they just hand over all their customers to SE again?

Also, I'm pretty sure that with the method that WoW is using for this, such a thing can't even happen.

[Giantbane]

Putting a purchasable time system in, without taking a heavy and active hand against gil sellers, would simply enable them to empty out the market of all game time for sale, further fueling them.

As much as a system like this would benefit the game, it CANNOT function with current GM enforcement methods.

I have no idea how this would work to benefit RMT. It's not like they can turn PLEX into RL money any easier than they can turn gil into RL money. The real difference to RMT is that illegal RMT sales would now have to compete with officially sanctioned player to player sales. These player to player sales are of no use to them, because they can't be used to convert gil > $$, which is what RMT needs to function. This competition brings their profit margins down. Now add to this that they are an illegitimate gil buying service that involves significant risk to the buyer in terms of getting scammed by the RMT or banned by SE vs. a sanctioned gil buying service with no risk. This extra risk means they have to drop their prices even lower to compete and will result in further cuts to their profit margin. There's no win for RMT here.

[Tiggy]

Fraud risk is due to the fact that there's no sanctioned exchange for gil > $$ and back. This means there needs to be trust between parties in terms of getting goods for money paid. This creates the fraud risk. There would be no fraud risk with a PLEX market at all since you would get what you pay for via the in game market.

Or people can refrain from breaking the ToS and not buy gil for money at all. Zero risk of fraud. Was the crux of your point really based on blatantly breaking the rules?

Don't be obtuse. It's no secret that SE pays very close attention to what WoW does, with good reason.

You DO realize I was the one that brought that article to this thread. That I was the one that quoted it. That it contained details specifically citing studies of what other MMOs do. OBVIOUSLY I know they look at other games. I'm the obtuse one. Lol.

I think it's more of a joke to think that WoW would actually consider going f2p in the semi near future.

Literally was the joke.

[Giantbane]

Or people can refrain from breaking the ToS and not buy gil for money at all. Zero risk of fraud. Was the crux of your point really based on blatantly breaking the rules?

I replied to someone who said PLEX could be a source of fraud. They linked an article about how RMT can lead to fraud lawsuits which involve the company in the middle of them. I pointed out why neither that article nor fraud lawsuits apply to PLEX. PLEX will not cause fraud lawsuits that could entangle SE. The end.

You DO realize I was the one that brought that article to this thread. That I was the one that quoted it. That it contained details specifically citing studies of what other MMOs do. OBVIOUSLY I know they look at other games. I'm the obtuse one. Lol.

Literally was the joke.

The other part of the joke is an acknowledgment of the fact that SE leans really heavily on WoW for design ideas. This is contrary to the rest of the article about how SE doesn't need to necessarily follow in the footsteps of other, non-wow MMOs.

You saying it's just a joke tells me you don't think that SE will do something just because WoW does it.

This game is a lot like WoW, cash shop and all. There isn't a lot of secret about that. If PLEX works out in WoW, do I think PLEX is going to be on the table for FFXIV? absolutely. Do I think that it will be specifically because it's WoW who did it? Yes. And I think you're obtuse if you think otherwise.

[Wildsprite]

This game is a lot like WoW, cash shop and all. There isn't a lot of secret about that. If PLEX works out in WoW, do I think PLEX is going to be on the table for FFXIV? absolutely. Do I think that it will be specifically because it's WoW who did it? Yes. And I think you're obtuse if you think otherwise.

personally I think it's a lot more than just WoW they are looking at. however if it does succeed in WoW I think you are right and it will come to XIV. how good or bad it is really depends a lot on the dymanics of the version they choose to impliment honestly.