It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Magis]

Wait, what exactly do I have to prove?
My point here is really, really simple: There's nothing inherently wrong with giving people with less free time the opportunity for them to participate in content they're denied of (housing, crafting). And I'm calling out those elitists who think are entitled to their exclusivity just because they spent more time playing.

Why does that need "proving"?

Another person acting like they are being denied stuff because you have to play a game to get the reward. Are you "denied" the ending of FFX because Seymour was too hard? No one is denied anything, everyone has the same opportunity to access content within the game rules. SE doesn't care that you have 10 jobs, 20 children, and 12 lives... they care about the limits within the game.

"Man, SE is denying me the end game dungeons cause I have to level up. Freaking elitists level 50s think they are entitled to their exclusivity just because they leveled their characters."

"Man, SE is denying me a chocobo cause I have to be level 20. Freaking elitists level 20s think they are entitled to their exclusivity just because they got to level 20."

"Man, SE is denying me access to the game cause I have to pay a subscription fee. Freaking elitists who can afford the sub that think they are entitled to content."

Your argument doesn't make sense.

[Duuude007]

More anecdotes, no relevant facts supporting the plex argument.

Why would anyone buy into this snake oil is beyond me.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Here's the main issue:

People think the only way to combat RMT is to give "legal" alternatives, which would also get abused by RMT. What Square needs to do is make it harder for RMT to get in touch with players. Right now, we have zero customization for communications; we can't have tells filtered to friends only, we can't auto reject friend requests, etc. Let people filter who can send them tells and let people decide whether or not they want friend requests open. Those two methods of communication is what RMT uses a lot aside from shouts. Make those harder to go through and you made it harder for RMT to get through to people.

[ScarletDawn]

How does Bishop not understand how EvE works? You balance inflation with deflation ( ships being PERMANENTLY REMOVED FROM GAME) The bold part is the key here.

In FF14 we have very very weak money sinks, MB taxs us, teleporting takes very small amount. Repair are minor. List is endless, but there is no 1mil+ money sinks nothing to sap gil from players accounts like there is in EvE when that shiny new carrier costing 2 bil just blew up on ur screen, that is 2 bil in value gone from ur account. 2 bil you probably plexed to gain.

OP just wants a system to abuse the crafting and make easy money, while freeloading off those paying for the game.

[Magis]

How does Bishop not understand how EvE works? You balance inflation with deflation ( ships being PERMANENTLY REMOVED FROM GAME) The bold part is the key here.

In FF14 we have very very weak money sinks, MB taxs us, teleporting takes very small amount. Repair are minor. List is endless, but there is no 1mil+ money sinks nothing to sap gil from players accounts like there is in EvE when that shiny new carrier costing 2 bil just blew up on ur screen, that is 2 bil in value gone from ur account. 2 bil you probably plexed to gain.

OP just wants a system to abuse the crafting and make easy money, while freeloading off those paying for the game.

The only big money sink I can think of is housing but that has a limited amount of money that get's drained once everything fills.

[Jinko]

This is a bad idea.

[DoctorPepper]

lol been a while since I've gone through this thread but took another gander and something I keep seeing brought up as a PLEX defense is that it would allow people who don't have time to play the game to buy housing. I think that is an absolutely terrible arguement and calling people who actually play elitests is even worse. Not everybody who plays the game a lot has a big ego and goes around trying to ruin others' experiences.

The reason I think that housing is a terrible defense is because we already have a major lack of housing plots available for people who actually play this game. There are some servers with people who have legitimately saved the gil for a house but cannot get one because there aren't any available.

Adding a PLEX system will make that situation even worse because there will be a higher demand for housing due to people having more gil. In the end the people who actually put in the work would get screwed over and you would end up with people who barely play taking housing plots that they didn't earn themselves.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is nothing more than legitimate RMT. It is 100% pay to win and I will never support this type of system. I'm a legacy player, I've been playing this game since 1.0 Alpha and again since the 2.0 Alpha, I love this game a lot but I will quit if they ever add a system like this and that's not a joke. People can go ahead and say I'm only one person so it won't matter but I can pretty much guarantee I wouldn't be the only one taking a leave from this game if they added a PLEX system. Sure, others will probably replace me but I doubt they'll all be supporting the game for as long as I have.

[Gilraen]

Actually... even though it's not expressly stated, we DO have PLEX now. They are called Time Cards, cost $30 and the codes are easily traded via /tell. "But that's a tangible thing and people could easily scam you." This is true of PLEX trading. Especially if done through a contract (i.e. player to player trading). You also have people 'monetizing' the wedding rings, last I heard the $20 ring was going for around 2-3 million gil. Or was that the $10 ring... Either way, money-to-gil methods exist that are entirely player run. This is what Square is trying to avoid, player-based economies. You can see that in how all the best gear is gained by participating in content. EVE is the opposite, almost in entirety. Players run EVE, end to end almost, and making sure it stays player-run CCP instituted methods of monetizing time. This helps keep the EVE economy squarely in player hands.

The only reason to have more time on your account in XIV, though... is more time and veteran rewards that are locked to the account they are gained on making them unmarketable (except that one painting whose value has tanked because it's a furnishing). There is also the fact that you NEED a subscription to even play whereas in EVE you can play for your entire life without ever subscribing. The makes time in EVE profitable while in XIV it's just time on top of time you've paid for already.

[Magis]

Actually... even though it's not expressly stated, we DO have PLEX now. They are called Time Cards, cost $30 and the codes are easily traded via /tell. "But that's a tangible thing and people could easily scam you." This is true of PLEX trading. Especially if done through a contract (i.e. player to player trading). You also have people 'monetizing' the wedding rings, last I heard the $20 ring was going for around 2-3 million gil.

Actually this falls under RMT rules and can get you banned. You are not allowed to trade anything be it cash or external items for in game gil. Someone asked a GM if they could sell IRL art for gil in game and the GM's said it would be concidered RMT. So your example is just more RMT.

[Tiggy]

Now THAT'S a really nicely constructed strawman. I'd congratulate you if it wasn't such a low blow.
And there'd be nothing wrong with someone buying up a high lvl character too, BTW. Like you can already do for some time in World of Warcraft, BTW.

That's not a straw Man. It's an example of how the same line of logic you used doesn't make sense. He's applying the same logic to other situations to show you how flawed it is in the first place. It wasn't an argument to be beaten down which is a requirement for a straw Man.

Also, hahaha that it's ok to buy fully leveled characters. "WoW did it" is a VERY poor reason to justify letting people skip through half of the game. It's also a great way to have level 50s that literally know nothing about their class which I submit as one wrong thing with that system so you're flat out wrong saying there is nothing wrong with it.

Why play the game of you don't want to do anything but throw real money at our to skip most of the features? What's the point? To show how big your real life wallet is?