Thread: 3.0's Coming... What are the Craziest Game Changes you can Think of?

Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

I'll reiterate that this is all hypothesis that has very little to do with real game situations and real game problems.

I'll also reiterate that I was speaking entirely in hypothesis as well. I'm saying that if we ever reach a situation where all available crafted pieces are better than raid gear, then people will start leaning toward that instead of raiding. They'd certainly wait for the staggered releases because it's still easier than raiding. But, we haven't reached this situation. We just have a few crafted pieces as BiS, but what we have now is more than existed at i90, which was more than existed at i70... and I'm just hoping that this isn't a pattern that will continue into Heavensward.

Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Add Phoenix Down or Pinion as an useable item for non-healers to raise party members.

Phoenix Downs already exist and do that. They just take forever to candy and you can only hold one.

Ul'Dah is now underwater.

Okay, there's plenty of silliness around this thread and I'm not sure if me reading all of it was a good idea or not, but let me just clarify, OP:

Saying crafting isn't as hard as raiding when you haven't reached endgame crafting, wear the accessories you continuously demonize, and had them made by someone else entirely makes you sound kind of uninformed. Like some sort of high fantasy radio broadcast conservative. Crafting, especially unlocking the Mastery II books, is what I personally refer to as the hardest obstacle in the current game. And you seem to demonize it most because "It takes no skill but just luck", despite not having accomplished it yourself... that leads me to believe you failed and gave up on it, or simply have deep misconceptions about how crafting works.

Regardless, your ideas are indeed crazy, because what you're advocating is for crafters to "get back in the kitchen", and become relegated to nothing more than housing, glamour, and levelling gear. Again. Having a stake in the endgame at any point in time is what they've wanted since 2.0, because there's really no point in levelling crafting, up to the gruelling trek that is four-star recipes, if all the gear you make is totally pointless in the endgame statwise. It's not catch-up gear because the sheer time, effort, and gil that go into unlocking the ability to make it let alone the material costs make it just as viable an obstacle to overcome as the raiding you do for 130's. It's not just a minigame that you spend five minutes on; it's not Cuff-A-Cur. It's equally as important as the other classes you level to 50 and should be treated as such.

Yeah sure I'll be fine with it being catch-up gear when I don't have to shell out an estate's worth of gil just to craft the thrice-damned things.

This is my last "long post" in this thread. If you wish to skip it and get back to the thread's original purpose, go to the other side of the section separated out by "----------".

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Sure, let's just pile misconceptions upon misconceptions upon misconceptions and see where that gets us. Let me explain everything. Clearly. Because we've all lost sight of not only what I've been trying to say/propose, but what you're all trying to criticize.

1. I am not proposing that crafters "get into the kitchen" or suddenly have literally zero relevance at endgame crafting. I never was. I'm saying that the gearing progression should go Last Tier's highest iLvl gear > Melded Crafted Gear <=> Unupgraded Tome Gear > Upgraded Tome Gear = Raid Gear. The "<=>" symbol indicates that the crafted gear and the unupgraded tomestone gear flop flop in their order of effectiveness depending on certain factors. What this means is that when preparing for raid or not getting drops, crafted gear is the best thing to have. This is generally where crafting was at the i70-i90 tier. We've creeped more toward a progression of Last Tier > Unupgraded > Crafted <=> Highest iLvl over the last two tiers. If Yoshida has specifically stated that he doesn't want crafted to unambiguously be better than raid, then isn't it strange that we're creeping toward this situation?

Crafted gear that is wildly more powerful than raid equivalents(this is the stuff that really needs to be shut down):
- All accessories for Tanks
- All accessories for Healers(if capping accuracy is your goal)

Crafted gear that is slightly more powerful than raid equivalents(creates a situation of requiring lots of time/luck/expense to achieve. Unless these enter the "wildly" section, some won't see it as worth the trouble):
- All crafted belts for every non-Tank job.
- A good few non-Tank or Healer accessories(allows extra VIT; otherwise good secondary stat distributions can be seriously stacked like with the belts)
- Any Bard Piece that Crit can be maxed on
- Any BLM Piece that Crit and SS can be maxed on
- Possibly more. People who play jobs I don't play more than myself could probably point them out.

2. It is incorrect to state that I have "given up" on 4* crafting. The truth is simply that I haven't started pursuing it yet because I'm spending time doing other things. This, however, does not mean that I magically don't know how endgame crafting works. I know all about how one must start relying on having enough 80% chance actions hit or HQ literally becomes impossible. I know all about how the mere fact that a Good didn't happen during the Berygot Baiting process can also make an HQ impossible. Skill isn't winning any day here. If someone fails due to these reasons, it's because the game simply decided that they don't get to win today. This is what's known as Fake Difficulty. It's not difficult and it takes no skill. It's just annoying. Try and try again until the game decides to say yes. Granted, certain rotations can reduce the chances of the "not your fault" failure by reasonable amounts, but it's still impossible to HQ that important item 100% of the time. This needs to stop. If you want to say that endgame crafting is more annoying than endgame raiding, there's a serious case for it. Saying it's more difficult, however, is false.

3. Yes, I use the accessories I claim are too powerful. There is a difference between demonizing something and taking part in it because to do otherwise is lowering the maximum potential the game currently allows to me. If SE suddenly hotfixed the game to invalidate these accessories for Tanks I would praise the heavens, convert those things to Materia, and wear VIT accessories with a smile. This hasn't happened, so I will keep doing the thing that makes me the best Tank I can be even if I do hate it... because it isn't just about me. It's about my party and how I'm helping them win, and it would be a shame if I wasn't doing everything within my power to help win the most difficult battles in the game.

4. Yes, I didn't craft the accessories I'm wearing. Someone in my FC did. I did, however, gather everything required not just for the set I'm wearing, but the set my co-Tank is wearing as well. I gathered all of these materials at the cost of time and teleportation. In this, I would like to point out that it does not need to cost an estate's worth of gil to craft high level items. Every single step of the process can be done with a minimum of gil investment. The only reasons gil gets spent during this process are laziness, impatience, or not having a gatherer leveled. Regarding that last one, if one actually goes through all the time and effort necessary to reach 3* crafting or higher, there's no excuse to not be able to do the same for gathering. It's far less of a time investment to keep up with. The same applies to melding the gear; you can craft and spiritbond your own gear. You don't have to spend gil on the process if you don't want to. The catch for all of this is that the less gil you spend, the more time it takes you to do a particular thing. If the goal is "gather the materials to craft item X", it usually doesn't take much time to avoid spending gil. If the goal is "get the materials necessary to get all my crafters a Masterwork I/II" book, then you'll take a lot of time by avoiding gil spending. If the goal is "pentameld five accessories", then it will take an enormous amount of time to save gil. How much time are you willing to spend to save gil? If the markets are any indication, many people are willing to spend gil to save time. The option is always there to save, however, so we shouldn't call it necessary to invest gil in it.

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Now, my ideas, motivations, and justifications are on paper. Everyone else's ideas, motivations, and justifications are on paper as well. We've literally ruined this thread with debate, defense, and belittling. While the ball is still in my court, so to speak, I say let's put a stop to it right here. If anyone has further criticisms to what's written here, please leave them at the door. I shall do the same with anything written from now on. If anyone criticizes anyway, I will ignore them and everyone else should as well. As someone who directly participated in the derailing of this thread, hopefully these words are stronger somehow. I invited people to be crazy without consequence, and I myself violated this.

Let's try to get this thread back to where it originally was: casting ideas into the wind.

We begin again.

- Paladin: Spirit's Within is no longer affected by the damage penalty of Shield Oath.
- Ninja: If a mudra results in a bunny, the bunny can now be thrown for a 100 potency attack.
- Summoner: Gains the Moogle Throw Spell. Summon a moogle and toss it at an enemy for 150 potency. Can be thrown anywhere in the world to find items.