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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadacho View Post
    I clearly do know what the random rule is, as I've fought him a lot and obtained your sought after Odin the hard way - through trial, error and ultimately, improvement. Unlocking a 2/3 star deck and having a greater deck of cards to choose from will improve your chances at randomly getting better random cards! Duh.

    I even gave you a strategy to beat him. Or are you just glossing over that and continue to act as though it's broken because you basically don't know how to play an even-slightly advanced opponent?
    I think you need to mention that despite any strategy being given, there is still a significantly high chance of losing frequently. Even with 50+ cards in your lot, chances are you're not going to win if Random leaves you with pretty much all of the original starter set (or some equivalent to it).
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    I think you need to mention that despite any strategy being given, there is still a significantly high chance of losing frequently. Even with 50+ cards in your deck, chances are you're not going to win if Random leaves you with pretty much all of the original starter set (or some equivalent to it).
    Well that's a given. It is still random after all. I was quite clear in saying it "improves your chances", not ensures a guaranteed victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadacho View Post
    How does it upset balance? This is an NPC. The rules are meant to be working against YOU, the PLAYER, to make it more difficult. Not the NPC. Each NPC has been individually designed with a strategy and difficulty in mind.

    Also, check the active help text for Triple Triad. It specifically states that rules do not apply to several NPCs. Yes, it's difficult, but it's doable. Change your deck, grind for cards through other means so you can develop a 2 star or 3 star deck and come back to him.

    If you're interested in a strat to counter his random cards: obtain a 2 star deck ideally. Play your first card with a 4 or 5 vulnerable. He will claim it. He will have to claim with a higher number, such as 6, 7, 8 etc. This means he will be using his strongest number to claim yours and will hopefully, depending on card placement on the board, leave his low number vulnerable is doing so. Claim his, with a defensive card (blocking yourself into a corner so he can't take you). Play your cards defensively, don't try to take his cards after that first one. You only need to hold one of his cards to hold the board. Play your highest card (Double Ace if you got lucky!) last to claim anything you can at the end.

    Yes, it's random what cards you get to play with. Solution? Get more cards, of higher star value, and increase your chances at getting better cards.

    Just because you can't defeat him doesn't mean other people can't, and certainly doesn't mean the game or rule is broken. Rules are there for us, not the game/AI. It's intentionally designed to be a road block and make the game more challenging!

    Seriously, go away and improve your deck before complaining waah it's too hard it's broken.
    Half of your post doesnt even make sense, because it doesnt have anything to do with the random rule, so why even posting this?

    Also when will wannabe pros finally stop acting like it requires skill to beat npcs? they only lose because they are playing bad, and if they are playing perfectly you lose.
    Give 5 Star decks from NPCs to players, they will never lose to a 3 star deck if they are not stupid.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadacho View Post
    I clearly do know what the random rule is, as I've fought him a lot and obtained your sought after Odin the hard way - through trial, error and ultimately, improvement. Unlocking a 2/3 star deck and having a greater deck of cards to choose from will improve your chances at randomly getting better random cards! Duh.
    Yeah, randomly getting 2-star cards still means nothing when your opponent has a hand full of 4-star and 5-star cards. Many of the opponents who abuse the random rule don't actually have anything weaker than 2-star in their hands, and usually end up with multiple 3, 4 and 5-star cards.

    Having more cards just means more chance of getting a wide spread of cards which have weak values on similar sides, which just leaves your cards more exposed. As it stands, winning a random match is more about luck than it is about skill. Strategy is meaningless if you never get the cards necessary to implement it.

    Besides, even having every card unlocked you can still end up with the starter deck in a random draw. How exactly you apply your strategy to something like that is a question I would love to see an answer to.
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    I got my odin card from a card game and it wasnt so hard. I got Louisoix Leveilleur form Rowena too... You can't expect to get all cards for free.
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    When I was ready to farm Landanel, I won more than I lost as stated (47 card at the time). The other guy gave some pretty good advice about how to beat NPCs, so I would imagine the problem has more to do with the way you are playing than the cards you are dealt. Yes random can probably make it impossible to win at times, but it's not as common as you people are making it out to be. If you haven't learned how to bait NPC cards or play the board to your advantage, which is stupidly easy when you know what cards the NPC has, then you haven't had enough practice nor have you paid enough attention to how NPCs tend to react. I'd give a detailed strategy, but I don't feel the need to spend my time helping players who don't want to spend any time or effort to help themselves and just complain about everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadacho View Post
    Well that's a given. It is still random after all. I was quite clear in saying it "improves your chances", not ensures a guaranteed victory.
    Yeah, but you still pretty much have no real strategy to use unless you're given a good hand, which doesn't happen very often, even if you did have access to 3-star decks. I think what people are complaining about is the fact that it's basically RNG at play here lol. Except it, in most cases, means an immediate loss versus making a mistake on the players fault. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the fact that TT is literally designed to make the player lose against NPCs an overwhelmingly significant majority of the time. I just don't think others realize this. Which is probably why posting any sort of strategy, without the mention of "you're going to lose nearly every game", doesn't help much since the use of any one strategy against random only comes into play once in a great while.

    For random, it really just comes down to 3-star deck access to win maybe 1/5 of yours games (depends on how nice Random is to you), or lose 90% of your games without it, if not more. The only rule that actually has a decent amount of strategy behind it is Plus, followed by Ascension, Descension, Same, and Reverse, as those could still work in your favor even if Random is used.
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  8. #38
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    Luck and skill both play a part yes. Luck in getting a good deck, skill in executing the deck when you're randomly (and luckily) dealt it. Seriously, read my posts properly, at no point do I ever state it's guaranteed or even easy, I mean, I'm certainly not in a rush to re-challenge Landenell. I outlined a strategy to use for this particular NPC for when luck falls your way and deals you a good hand (which you are able to because you've taken the time and effort to farm other cards and increase your deck size).

    What it ultimately comes down to is people complaining and then demanding the devs to "fix" something because they haven't taken the time to attempt to self-improve.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Besides, even having every card unlocked you can still end up with the starter deck in a random draw. How exactly you apply your strategy to something like that is a question I would love to see an answer to.
    Um, I don't apply my strategy to being dealt a starter deck. Why? Because in my strategy I clearly talk about using mid number (4s and 5s) for baiting and double Ace cards. Which yes, before you all jump on me, I am well aware is a random draw, which yes, is where the luck comes in.

    It seems as though people think the Random rule requiring luck = broken? Isn't that the definition of random though?
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    Last edited by Tadacho; 03-04-2015 at 05:19 AM.

  9. #39
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    I'd like to take this time to apologize on behalf of the entire server of Hyperion for Tadacho's behavior.
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  10. #40
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    Eh? What behaviour? Offering a strategy and advice to beating the rule people are claiming is broken? Sorry if I offended you, maybe I should curse more and call people stupid?
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