The random rule is not okay

[Kharhaz]

Tadacho gave you guys a lot of good advice and you guys just seem to overlook it rather than ask for more help or for him to elaborate because you refuse to see past your idea that its not possible to win unless random gives you the best hand possible. If you are having problems with him at 60+ cards, then I honestly don't know how you farmed that many cards without picking up on common NPC tendencies that myself, Tadacho, and plenty of other players learned.

This is also why I didn't bother to elaborate myself, because you people are just coming at Tadacho or trying to prove him wrong at every step when he's the only guy here trying to help you.

[Welsper59]

Tadacho gave you guys a lot of good advice and you guys just seem to overlook it rather than ask for more help or for him to elaborate because you refuse to see past your idea that its not possible to win unless random gives you the best hand possible. If you are having problems with him at 60+ cards, then I honestly don't know how you farmed that many cards without picking up on common NPC tendencies that myself, Tadacho, and plenty of other players learned.

This is also why I didn't bother to elaborate myself, because you people are just coming at Tadacho or trying to prove him wrong at every step when he's the only guy here trying to help you.

Random is entirely about your luck of the draw. Just like real card games... there's no strategy behind RNG. You don't need to have the best hand, but you certainly need a decent one (unless other rules are involved... which is still the case of needing a decent hand for the rules in play lol). It is 100% possible that people will run some of the worst hands possible for 10+ games in a row, even with 60+ cards that are at their disposal. You ever fail to gather something 13/18 times out of three unspoiled 1-star nodes at 95% success? I have. Those ridiculous failures stick with you man! lol

It's the fact you point it out as though RNG is (almost) impossible to be a problem with Random that people tend to snap back. You're attacking them for something that might be out of their hands (RNG). Now, I'm willing to bet that some people really do just need to get out of the 1-star only decks lol, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people are simply frustrated at RNG being a d-bag to them.

For most cases, "strategy" with Random only involves building up the deck to get better card access so you'll have a better chance at winning. If you get a decent hand, bait and trap where you can. Hope you win. That's basically it and doesn't go much further than that, since that strategy works on practically every NPC, regardless of rule lol.

[Tadacho]

Eh? What behaviour? Offering a strategy and advice to beating the rule people are claiming is broken? Sorry if I offended you, maybe I should curse more and call people stupid?

[Tadacho]

Thanks Kharhaz. I'll just stop posting here before my rude behaviour shames Hyperion ever further. Good luck to those still after Odin.

[Kenji1134]

*popcorn*

All Open + Random = Luck THEN Strategy

First, you need to have cards that are actually strong enough to defend against or attack your opponent. Simply put, if your have consists of cards which have nothing above a 4, then you are vulnerable to 75% of attacking sides (Landenel uses mostly cards that have only 1 weak side), and can attack 25% of their sides. In that event, when your hand is clearly inferior, your odds of winning are next to zero, UNLESS the npc makes several very stupid moves.

If your hand is at least decent, IE you can take their weaker sides, and defend against things other than 8's and 9's, then you need strategy. You know which cards he has, so attempt to play yours to minimize your weaknesses based on his remaining card's strengths.
But again, if your hand is such that you can neither attack nor defend consistantly, simply due to your card being weaker on 3 of 4 sides... GG cya, chalk up another one for Landenel.

[Welsper59]

*popcorn*

All Open + Random = Luck THEN Strategy

First, you need to have cards that are actually strong enough to defend against or attack your opponent. Simply put, if your have consists of cards which have nothing above a 4, then you are vulnerable to 75% of attacking sides (Landenel uses mostly cards that have only 1 weak side), and can attack 25% of their sides. In that event, when your hand is clearly inferior, your odds of winning are next to zero, UNLESS the npc makes several very stupid moves.

If your hand is at least decent, IE you can take their weaker sides, and defend against things other than 8's and 9's, then you need strategy. You know which cards he has, so attempt to play yours to minimize your weaknesses based on his remaining card's strengths.
But again, if your hand is such that you can neither attack nor defend consistantly, simply due to your card being weaker on 3 of 4 sides... GG cya, chalk up another one for Landenel.

This is pretty much the gist of it. GG if your hand that's dealt is bad. GG if the NPC outplays any decent hand, it happens. Tadacho was trying to say something similar, but came off too strong on the initial post lol.

[Cyrusskorrey]

im still under 30 cards and i was able to beat all of the /random rule NPCs.
the random rule sucks but i like that its working as intended

[HyperiusUltima]

As much as I have read throughout this entire thing, I'm gonna write this up about the Random Rule.

The Random Rule is meant for Random Decks, though with the current coding of NPCs in place that use this rule(that have a small card pool), it has become excessively difficult to defeat them even once. I can agree on this fact because I've tried it before, and failed more than enough times against Rowena/Landenel. Random has become RNG at its finest(Atmas are nothing to worry about now if you're going to whine about that here) mainly by the fact that low card pools(and high cards) tend to favor those who don't have a majority of 1 Star Cards.

A possible fix to this would be either scrapping Random altogether and adding a different rule based on monsters(and not Ascension, Descension, etc.), or possibly changing around things. Suggestions on what things are below:

-Increase the NPC's Card Pool greatly(40+ Cards) so that they do not have an elite, small selection to choose from.

[Shadray]

Random rule is fine... Just give me 6 cards as a pool to select a random 5 from, just like the npc has. Orgive the npc a pool on 35.

[juniglee]

Random rule is fine... Just give me 6 cards as a pool to select a random 5 from, just like the npc has. Orgive the npc a pool on 35.

Might as well give them scaling card pools too. The more cards you have, the bigger their pool!