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    Player
    Ooshima's Avatar
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Random rule should be okay, if only the system picks the your 5 cards based on the highest possible star rating combination allowed.

    For example, if you have above 30 but under 60, it should pick one card from the 4*-5*, plus 4 other 2* cards. If you have 60 cards and above, it should pick one card from the 4*-5* cards, plus 4 other 3* cards. Not a hand of 1* junks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralos View Post
    while every person playing him has at LEAST 5 1 star cards in their card pool (the starter deck)
    and if you don't have 30 cards yet, you will ALWAYS get stuck with 4 of your cards being 1 star, despite the random rule (still follows deck building rules)
    That's because "Random" doesn't have to mean "literally random". It's a random selection of cards which fit into the basic rule set of the game. The rules like Random or Fallen Ace are additional rules, not replacement rules.

    But personally, I've been having a fair bit of success playing with the Random rule against various NPC, including Rowena (can more often then not finish with a draw). Mind, Landenel is one of 2 NPCs I have yet to play against. A lot of the NPCs have a specific way of playing and a particular strategy. Figuring that out and playing at a disadvantage to still win is a pretty fun experience.

    There are times, though, when you do get a hand which you can't win with and will usually lose or draw. But yo just take that and try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post
    snip.
    The big problme is that Landanel's cards are all 1 side with 6, 2 sides with 7 and 1 weak spot with the exception of his Chocobo. That means that with the random rule you are cobstantly playing Russian Roulette with a revolver loaded with 5 bullets out of 6. To top it, he has Odin, which most likely always plays last. You cannot beat him constantly because of the random rule and your deck will never have powerful enough cards to flips even his weakest one unless you're lucky and he missplays.
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    Community Rep Grekumah's Avatar
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    Thanks for the feedback. We've been sharing it all with the development team.

    Not very much time has passed since Triple Triad made it's glorious release, and it’s quite possible that the random rule feels a bit more difficult due to the fact that players do not have enough cards just yet.

    If you feel it is posing a challenge, we ask that you venture throughout Eorzea to collect more cards and then try to challenge these opponents again! You’ll most likely feel a difference once you have more cards and are able to use higher tiers of rare cards in your deck.
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    Skiotha Cnaiur
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    Are people really complaining because they can't beat NPCs with the starter deck? Get more cards, I was able to win more than I lost with under 60 cards. I don't see why you people feel you should be able to beat one of the more difficult NPCs without investing time in building your deck. If you can't beat him or lack the motivation to beat him, then you don't deserve the Odin card in my opinion. If you keep playing this game in terms of brute force strategy (aka higher numbers = win) you really don't grasp the concepts of TT. There are plenty of ways to play the board to your advantage and bait Landanel's stronger cards.

    Seriously it's only two NPCs people, and Rowena is the only who has a card that you can't get by other means (and drop rate seems higher than normal for a five star on both). Try farming Urth's Fount in Duty Finder and then come back and tell me Landanel is "too hard" or "too cheap".
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharhaz View Post

    Seriously it's only two NPCs people, and Rowena is the only who has a card that you can't get by other means (and drop rate seems higher than normal for a five star on both). Try farming Urth's Fount in Duty Finder and then come back and tell me Landanel is "too hard" or "too cheap".
    For the average player farming Urth's Fount will be easier then farming Landanel.
    You can't really bait NPCs with the random rule, because typically your cards will be much worse, whereas their cards have 2/3 sides you can't flip.

    Also, the ''got more cards'' excuse is pretty dumb, because you need 60 cards to get a decent chance at winning against the stronger NPCs. And ironically to do that you will need most of their cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharhaz View Post
    Are people really complaining because they can't beat NPCs with the starter deck? Get more cards, I was able to win more than I lost with under 60 cards. I don't see why you people feel you should be able to beat one of the more difficult NPCs without investing time in building your deck. If you can't beat him or lack the motivation to beat him, then you don't deserve the Odin card in my opinion. If you keep playing this game in terms of brute force strategy (aka higher numbers = win) you really don't grasp the concepts of TT. There are plenty of ways to play the board to your advantage and bait Landanel's stronger cards.

    Seriously it's only two NPCs people, and Rowena is the only who has a card that you can't get by other means (and drop rate seems higher than normal for a five star on both). Try farming Urth's Fount in Duty Finder and then come back and tell me Landanel is "too hard" or "too cheap".
    Odin is incredibly easy. Are you saying you have a hard time with him? Because certainly people can get the card from Odin way faster than through TT.

    Anyway, this is just ridiculous. Random NPCs are still annoying to people who have 30 or 60 cards. Sure, you have a chance to get good cards now, but in matches where you get all 1 stars, it's probably not going to happen.

    This isn't even about skill anymore. It's about that the NPC has million times better cards than you, as they always have good cards, and many times you have just junk. Luck != skill, sorry.
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    Quesse Mithril
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grekumah View Post
    Thanks for the feedback. We've been sharing it all with the development team.

    Not very much time has passed since Triple Triad made it's glorious release, and it’s quite possible that the random rule feels a bit more difficult due to the fact that players do not have enough cards just yet.

    If you feel it is posing a challenge, we ask that you venture throughout Eorzea to collect more cards and then try to challenge these opponents again! You’ll most likely feel a difference once you have more cards and are able to use higher tiers of rare cards in your deck.
    So you're saying its more "random" the more cards we have????? <confused>

    That word... I don't think it means what you think it means.
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    I enjoy helping people with TT, but apparently you guys just aren't ready for help. If you take the approach of complaining because you had a bad experience, that's understandable.

    However, you have helpful information right in front of you, stated multiple times, along with the assurance that you only need a mid level deck to do this with a good level of success. Yet, still you provide baseless probabilities that you obviously just made up on the spot, ignore relevant helpful information, and still claim there is no strategy to random when one has been provided for you.

    When you're ready to improve yourself, the information will still be here, and more would probably be provided if you were actually willing to listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharhaz View Post

    However, you have helpful information right in front of you, stated multiple times, along with the assurance that you only need a mid level deck to do this with a good level of success. Yet, still you provide baseless probabilities that you obviously just made up on the spot, ignore relevant helpful information, and still claim there is no strategy to random when one has been provided for you.

    When you're ready to improve yourself, the information will still be here, and more would probably be provided if you were actually willing to listen.
    That's not the case. A mid level deck will not give you a good level of success, for that you need a high level deck.
    A mid level deck will give you a chance at success, which is a small upgrade over RNGesus smilling upon you.

    The underlined part I found a bit ironic.
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