The random rule is not okay

[Madigari]

Once again, you're doing your best to insult instead of be civil. This has never once been about making every match a win. This has never once been about making the game ridiculously easy. This has been about a mini-game where every rule affects the NPCs -except- Random because the NPCs have such a narrow card pool that their cards are -always- at their best (again, assuming you ignore the forbidden decks NPCs are able to construct).

You can try to gloss over the argument with insults or being diminutive to people with a different view point as much as you like, but it will not change the fact that I've never once asked for this game to be on easy mode. I've asked for the rule to potentially affect the NPC in a negative way, similarly to how every other rule in Triple Triad can.

[Milleus]

How have I insulted you?

I get your point that Random rule is more disadvantageous for us players because we have a larger pool of cards, and NPCs have a smaller pool of cards..
I understand the topic at hand.. but what I'm trying to say is that I enjoy that it is done this way because it provides challenge for me at least.
I can't state my opinion of why I enjoy Random rule and don't think that it should be changed? is that how it is?

You, on the other hand, are the one that has been insulting me.
Yes, I misread your post and I apologised, heck, I even agreed in the situation where you do get all 1 star cards, it is indeed impossible.
and if you want the rule to potentially affect NPCs in a NEGATIVE way.. you're basically making it easier for you, isn't it? irony..?

It's ok.. we don't have to agree.

[Aeyis]

if you want the rule to potentially affect NPCs in a NEGATIVE way.. you're basically making it easier for you, isn't it? irony..?

It's ok.. we don't have to agree.

There is a difference between not agreeing, and trying to twist an argument in any way that will benefit your own, I think.

All rules other then the Random rule also apply to NPCs. Due to the nature of NPC decks they are effectively immune to the rule. Asking for NPCs to be effected by the rule is not asking for it to become easier, it is asking for the game mechanics..to apply.

But aside from that..
in "normal" random scenarios, I still like that the Random rule makes it challenging.

Yes.. I know about the rules and and how we have a bigger card pool compared to the NPCs.. but that's part of the challenge, isn't it?

I guess these days everybody just wants it easy.. :/

Leveling from 1 to 50 while wearing no equipment other then the Lvl1 class weapon, also makes things challenging.
The NPCs in question already have some of the better decks around; that should be plenty of challenge.
Even without the Random rule in effect it would be very hard to win against such a deck using only a 2 star deck, for example.

It is like the Fallen Ace rule on Landanel, completely pointless seeing how he never has an Ace, and due to the random rule the player is very unlikely to have one either.

[Hasty_Touch]

Aeyis I think you've missed the point of what Milleus is trying to say.

the part of "agreement" applies to how she doesn't want random rule to change because she likes the challenge.
and Madigari wants it to affect the NPCs negatively, which would probably make it easier, thus lesser challenge.

The irony is that Madigari doesn't want it to be easier or easy but introducing rules that negatively affect NPCs do just that.
Game mechanics do apply, it's just that it doesn't look like it is because of the smaller decks.

Also..

Leveling from 1 to 50 while wearing no equipment other then the Lvl1 class weapon, also makes things challenging.
The NPCs in question already have some of the better decks around; that should be plenty of challenge.
Even without the Random rule in effect it would be very hard to win against such a deck using only a 2 star deck, for example.

Challenge is really subjective to individuals.
It could be plenty challenging to you, but it might not be so to others.

[SummonerSenah]

Random for a player: Gets a deck with all one star cards.
Random for NPC: "I got Odin this time instead of Louisoix, whatever shall I do?"

[Hasty_Touch]

Random for a player: Gets a deck with all one star cards.
Random for NPC: "I got Odin this time instead of Louisoix, whatever shall I do?"

and precisely because of this, it is thus challenging; the player getting random cards and the NPC getting not-so-random cards.
introducing anything else to change this would make it easier.

honestly, this discussion will never end..
some people like random rule, some people don't.
there is no right or wrong here, there's only difference in opinions.

[Aeyis]

Aeyis I think you've missed the point of what Milleus is trying to say.

the part of "agreement" applies to how she doesn't want random rule to change because she likes the challenge.
and Madigari wants it to affect the NPCs negatively, which would probably make it easier, thus lesser challenge.

The irony is that Madigari doesn't want it to be easier or easy but introducing rules that negatively affect NPCs do just that.
Game mechanics do apply, it's just that it doesn't look like it is because of the smaller decks.

Also..


Challenge is really subjective to individuals.
It could be plenty challenging to you, but it might not be so to others.

I considered to ask last time, but I was generous and did not. Tell me, just exactly how many cards do you have? Just how many NPCs have you beaten frequently?


Because you speak of challenge when it seems you have no idea how TT even works.
Also, is there really any point in trying to subvert the meaning of my arguments?
Whichever way you twist them, they will still mean the same thing.


She does not want the Random rule to change. She wants it to work as intended, as its mechanics are ment to work.

I've emphased it for you, since you seem to read past it every time, for some reason.


I would spell it out even clearer for you, bad sadly this is the largest font I can use.
Tell me if you still don't get it.

Game mechanics do apply, it's just that it doesn't look like it is because of the smaller decks.

Game mechanics don't apply. If you read the thread, there are posts outlining exactly which mechanics arent in effect properly. Please actually learn about the game before you take part in discussions regarding it's challenge.

Edit: but since I dont exact you to actually read those, here they are:
NPCs use a partially fixed deck. Even if they had a million cards in their cardpool, because of this the Random rule is already broken when facing a NPC. Now this is a complete contradiction with the Random rule that states that cards are drawn into your hand at random.

[Quesse]

It can give you a deck at your fullest potential. Rarely, but it can happen. 2 or 3 of the NPCs cards are fixed, and aside from that the NPCs total deck is only 7 orso cards, nearly all of which are strong.

It can't because if you have say, 29 cards, it will only give you random 1 star cards and MAYBE one other card even if you have a bunch of two star cards. That is not Random. Even at 60 cards it is not truly random and you will never end up with multiple 5 star cards.

However with SWAP you can get multiple 5 stars so there is precedent for the rarity rules to be broken but random follows them. So a random rule without true randomness is not random.

[Hasty_Touch]

Aeyis, are you really going to be that kind of person?

Take a chill pill. I'm just calling it as I see it.
You're much too opinionated to accept the fact that there are people who like the current system.
If it upsets you that much, perhaps you shouldn't be here.

Edit: you can keep bashing all you want, but it's not gonna change a thing.

[JayCommon]

However with SWAP you can get multiple 5 stars so there is precedent for the rarity rules to be broken but random follows them. So a random rule without true randomness is not random.

Random adheres to the same rules Swap does. You still have to choose a deck that lives by the tier rules to enter a Swap game. Just because the mechanic itself allows you to potentially break your tier limit, doesn't mean you can break it before you enter the match.

I have gotten a Random hand once that adhered to my max potential with 60 cards. Squall plus 4 random out of my 3* pool. Conversely, I have gotten multiple hands of 5 1* cards due to their pool being larger than any other pool (except 5* is the same, but we can only have 1 of those at any time so their statistical value is lowered). The %s are definitely skewed in the favor of giving you crap, but you can get your max potential.

Using Swap mechanic as a basis to an argument for being able to break the tier restriction is a flawed argument, because you can't even enter the match breaking that rule.