Sick of unjust vote dismisses

[Adire]

I have never been kicked from a party, but I don't doubt that it's possible to be kicked unfairly.

Just as it's possible to have a troll in the group that needs to be kicked out, it's possible for a group of people to collectively troll someone by kicking them for illegitimate reasons.

But it's unavoidable. Changing the system to somehow prevent people from being troll kicked, would also serve in making it harder to dismiss someone that needs to be removed from the group because of attitude, skill level, or afk.

Thank you. I wish more people would see it this way rather than immediately saying "It's impossible for vote kick to be abused, must be you who is the problem"

I've stated why I've been kicked several times in this thread already, sad that people are still saying this even knowing from my examples and the examples of others that it can be, and is abused :/

[Inuk9]

Thank you. I wish more people would see it this way rather than immediately saying "It's impossible for vote kick to be abused, must be you who is the problem"

I've stated why I've been kicked several times in this thread already, sad that people are still saying this even knowing from my examples and the examples of others that it can be, and is abused :/

You got kicked one time it can happen by abuse or trolling, you get kicked 2 times, yeah, must be trolls again.

You got kicked constantly. Yes, there is something wrong with your playstyle or atitude.

[NyarukoW]

....Majority of players are illogical in both play and life...

Logical or not, the majority of players do not abuse the vote kick and do not vote kick on every dungeon run. The odds of encountering the vote kick is like less than 1 in 500.

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The Vote to kick feature is being abused more than its legitimately benefiting anyone.
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That is an unproven claim. Vote kick abuse does occur, but threat of vote kick has at least worked as a strong disincentive for the trolls to make trouble in the dungeons. The fact that 99.9% of the runs do NOT invoke the vote kick and people are not held up by AFK trolls and such is a good demonstration that it is working well.

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Voting is not a right, its a responsibility.

Voting is a RIGHT and also a responsibility and players needs to excercise that right responsibly and logically.

It is no badge of pride to never been vote kicked nor is it a scarlet letter of shame to be vote kicked. People staying silent are being complicit to the abuse instead of standing up and calling out the trolls. On the flip side the OP sounds like someone looking for fight and being confrontational all the time, that will invariably lead to people responding with the vote kick.

[Adire]

You got kicked one time it can happen by abuse or trolling, you get kicked 2 times, yeah, must be trolls again.

You got kicked constantly. Yes, there is something wrong with your playstyle or atitude.

As I've said before, I've only gotten kicked a few times, however I'm not naive. I know there will always be someone who experiences it more than I do, and I know how it feels. Even being kicked rarely by 2 trolls is too much, hence why I've proposed a solution to this problem that should have been a feature of vote kick already. If it was already implemented as it should have been from the start, I would be able to say I've never been kicked. It's a strive for improvement of the feature that benefits everyone who is in the right.

[Jinko]

Can't speak for the OP, but I'll state it again, I've never done anything wrong when I've been kicked.

Unless complaining to the CNJ in Halatali who was provoking mobs off me, or trying to prevent the healer in DD from being kicked because he wanted to complete the dungeon is wrong. I'm not a poor player either. And no. I did not do anything to warrant either action against me. When I joined the Halatali, he immediately started provoking. I dealt with it for at least half the time I was there without saying anything, hoping he'd stop on his own actually. Maybe that's why their first tank was mysteriously gone...dared to speak up against their griefing and paid for it.

Don't see anything wrong that Kaedrian did in their long list of reasons they've been kicked either.

If 2 people are in a premade and a disagreement or situation happens that they think you should be kicked for, you're going to be kicked regardless of whether or not you're right or wrong, and kicked without a majority vote at that. This is a problem.

You say you never did anything wrong ... I'll add that you may not be aware of.

It could just be you are abrasive in your manor of speaking and you may not realise it, the fact of the matter is if you mention to someone in open chat they are playing their class/job wrong or disagree in an overt way it may come across as picking on them and that may get you kicked.

I have seen many attempt at trying to educate ignorant players back fire, especially when they have FC members with them, so sometimes its just better to put up and get on with it.

Worth mentioning if you are also a DPS you are fairly expendable so easier to kick also.

[Adire]

I didn't do anything wrong. I was silent upon joining until I eventually got tired of the CNJ provoking mobs off me, asked why he was doing it, he said someone else was doing it, we moved on, he kept doing it, he ran ahead and pulled a large group, I let them chase him around while the ARC healed me instead of him healing me, then I pulled the mobs off him, we killed them, and I was kicked right before the final boss.

Do you see anything I did to deserve a kick? I don't see how I could have been much more passive than I was, actually :/. Silently dealing with abuse for most of the dungeon, then asking him why he was doing it only for him to blame someone else and actually step up his griefing...

The healer in DD did nothing wrong either in my opinion. He simply wanted to finish the dungeon he queued for, while the two dps did not just because they queued for the wrong thing, and wrongly used vote kick to get what they wanted since vote abandon would have failed due to me and the healer voting no. Them using the fact that the healer could not vote no for the votekick against himself to boot him and therefore have a majority to vote abandon is as wrong as it gets and is abuse of a badly designed feature. I fail to see how the healer or myself did anything wrong, at all.

[MageBlack]

I saw someone vote kick another player in WoD because they were another BLM. The BLM that initiated clearly said it was because he didnt want someone to take his loot if it dropped. Is that abuse?

[NyarukoW]

I saw someone vote kick another player in WoD because they were another BLM. The BLM that initiated clearly said it was because he didnt want someone to take his loot if it dropped. Is that abuse?

You can report players like that.

[Adire]

Some people might debate about it, but as far as I'm concerned, it is. Pretty sure "they're going to take my loot" isn't one of the 4 reasons listed on the vote kick list.

[Risvertasashi]

Some people might debate about it, but as far as I'm concerned, it is. Pretty sure "they're going to take my loot" isn't one of the 4 reasons listed on the vote kick list.

The GMs have outright said that reasons for kicking someone do not have to fall into those 4 categories.