More interest in playing Archer.

[Tex_Mex]

If the end goal is to play for fun, then sure. I won't argue against that, it's just that some people have explicated supported playing poorly on purpose, trolling 24-man raids or doing things like putting parry on a WHM novus and justified it with that reasoning.

Trolls are out there. They are everywhere, and there is basically nothing that can be done about them but to ignore them. As far as the expert dungeons/HM primals, I will still argue that the content is trivial. Even with demon wall, do you know what happens if you fail to kill the enemies in time? You die, you take the shortcut, you click the orb, you get a full timer again, and you get to start on the enemy pack that you left off on. This effectively removes the DPS check all together. SE specifically designs casual content to be so easy that it can be cleared by 99% of people. The only content that is really too difficult for this is extreme primals and coil.

With this in mind, I will never give anyone a hard time for derping around in casual content. It really doesn't make that big of a difference. 10 minutes is not the end of the world. On the extremely rare occasion, you will find parties that are unable of completing content for whatever reason, but that's what the abandon button is for. If it is fun for you to play a little archer in casual content, go for it. I certainly don't mind. Hell it might even be good for a laugh or two depending on the situation.

[RiceisNice]

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Right here is where we'd differ then. I'm more annoyed than anything if we don't meet dps check for demon walls, in the same manner I die a little bit inside if we can't keep up with the mobs in T4 even with 20% echo. I don't mind if a run takes 10+ minutes longer because they're because they don't know any better, but it's straight up trolling if they're doing it on purpose and manage to slow the pacing of the party. Sure abandon is an option, but I've already had at least 3 incidents of this where they queued with 2 or more players that I'm pretty much held hostage (as the GM tickets define this...) and would be forced to take a 30 minute penalty.

[Tex_Mex]

Right here is where we'd differ then. I'm more annoyed than anything if we don't meet dps check for demon walls, in the same manner I die a little bit inside if we can't keep up with the mobs in T4 even with 20% echo. I don't mind if a run takes 10+ minutes longer because they're because they don't know any better, but it's straight up trolling if they're doing it on purpose and manage to slow the pacing of the party. Sure abandon is an option, but I've already had at least 3 incidents of this where they queued with 2 or more players that I'm pretty much held hostage (as the GM tickets define this...) and would be forced to take a 30 minute penalty.

To each their own and sometimes a 30 min penalty is a great option. I get one or two penalties per month typically from fail groups. Then I take that 30 minutes and do something productive like go spend time with my wife or call my grandma. I take it as a sign that I need a break. Life is too short to be stressed out while playing a video game. Stuff just is not that serious.

[RiceisNice]

To each their own and sometimes a 30 min penalty is a great option. I get one or two penalties per month typically from fail groups. Then I take that 30 minutes and do something productive like go spend time with my wife or call my grandma. I take it as a sign that I need a break. Life is too short to be stressed out while playing a video game. Stuff just is not that serious.

Well there is the matter of getting stressed out by playing the game itself (grinds, RNG, ffuu), and getting stressed by the players in the game...

The loss of this +20 atk by removing the job crystal actually is countered by the many extra-skills you get in return. Invalid argument.

I'll bite. How do these extra skills make up for the loss in dps, when you can pretty much grab all the dps skills as a bard anyway, minus fracture?

[MrYaah]

I'll bite. How do these extra skills make up for the loss in dps, when you can pretty much grab all the dps skills as a bard anyway, minus fracture?

I don't think he actually checked what new crossclasses become available when you switch to archer. The only new dps skill you get is mercy stroke, which is fun in its own right but definitely doesn't offset a loss of 20dex. Pretty much all of the abilities you get are utility spells not dps spells. The dps spells you get are all from lancer and pugilist, which, as others have pointed out, are already available to bard.