[dev1026] Changes to Claiming and Engaging Enemies

[Perrin_Aybarra]

I hate this too, and stated that this was one of the things people asked for. Changing to this new system has absolutely nothing to do with fixing this issue though. We'll still be "claiming" mobs, so it's obvious that they could have done it with our current system.

must have misread, so you mean keep the current claiming system but allow for multiple claims? just don't let outside help killing the mobs?

While I do agree it could be simply fixed that way, they must have reasons not too and that's why they stated with the future content in mind it was more suitable to have the proposed claiming system and allow outside help to kill mob.

Probably has to do with Hamlet defense if you ask me. Won't be instanced (which you should like ) and to make it so that everyone participates and can down mobs even if they are no in the same group they had to allow a claiming system that allowed outside help.

[MeowyWowie]

must have misread, so you mean keep the current claiming system but allow for multiple claims? just don't let outside help killing the mobs?

While I do agree it could be simply fixed that way, they must have reasons not too and that's why they stated with the future content in mind it was more suitable to have the proposed claiming system and allow outside help to kill mob.

Probably has to do with Hamlet defense if you ask me. Won't be instanced (which you should like ) and to make it so that everyone participates and can down mobs even if they are no in the same group they had to allow a claiming system that allowed outside help.

Yea, that's pretty much what I was getting at. They could have added a "call for help" option as well, but instead of negating all SP/drops, they could have spread the sp according to damage dealt and lowered the chances on drops or something.

I truly believe the reasoning behind this change is laziness.

[Kiote]

Their intention is to do a lot more things like the imperial invasions but on a much grander scale and if people can't help each other in combat the system won't work. Thus you need to rework the system from the ground up. Remember Hamlet Defense concept? Now imagine 500 imperials washing over the town. Your not going to be able to beat that alone or even in a single party.

And think about multiple party Raids. This new system will make that very easy to implement with the simple addition of the lotting system everyone has been begging for.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Their intention is to do a lot more things like the imperial invasions but on a much grander scale and if people can't help each other in combat the system won't work. Thus you need to rework the system from the ground up. Remember Hamlet Defense concept? Now imagine 500 imperials washing over the town. Your not going to be able to beat that alone or even in a single party.

And think about multiple party Raids. This new system will make that very easy to implement with the simple addition of the lotting system everyone has been begging for.

That's what I think the reasoning behind it is also.

@Meowy I think maybe you are right in that they could have thought it out maybe a bit more and come up with something allowing the grand scale content they want. Like maybe when under hamlet defense (exemple) you can kill anything regardless of claiming. Maybe time constraint and ease of implementation was what pushed it toward this easier way out.

[MeowyWowie]

Their intention is to do a lot more things like the imperial invasions but on a much grander scale and if people can't help each other in combat the system won't work. Thus you need to rework the system from the ground up. Remember Hamlet Defense concept? Now imagine 500 imperials washing over the town. Your not going to be able to beat that alone or even in a single party.

And think about multiple party Raids. This new system will make that very easy to implement with the simple addition of the lotting system everyone has been begging for.

Both of these could have been done with the current system. Again, look at the bolded part.

[Kiote]

Unfortunately, temporary Claiming systems are a massive pain in the ### to implement and would require a much longer wait time. It's the same reason the implementation of single claim xp got wedged into behest. It wasn't that they wanted there to be multiple parties in a single behest. It was just not possible to remove that one claiming system rule for a single aspect of the game. They would literally have to build two complete claiming systems and then write a program that decides which should be used at any given time.

[Sephrick]

Where you would only get healed by someone

You mean where a capped healer would get hate off the bat with a Cure IV and you would get yelled at if you tried to rip hate from the 75 stone skinned white mage? The PL system where you literally could just afk after initiating auto attack?

Just as in XI, XIV will present a choice to the player the degree of power leveling ranging from not at all to initiate and afk. It's a players prerogative to pay for a game they're not playing.

They could go back to a system like there was at launch, bur then there will be a bunch of gladiators, archers and mages at cap while everyone else sits around wondering how they get to cap without tanks or healers -- ultimately meaning they need to be the tanks and healers.

This system is fair, and will be more enticing for knew players. Heck, I know I'll level more classes than I originally intended to, and I'll be doing it without a PL.

[Kiote]

Both of these could have been done with the current system. Again, look at the bolded part.

As I said Meowy, a Lotting system would be a very easy way to implement multiple party raids with the NEW system. But without the Combat Sharing aspect of the new system, it is impossible. You can't have multiple party events if multiple parties can't share a single target. The new system effectively adds that possibility. Essentially it is the Alliance System of FFXI without the invite and shared loot. The bonus for not having those is you are now no longer restricted to 3 party alliances. You can have infinite party alliances. They have effectively stolen the ONE good aspect that Rift invented. Zone wide Massive Alliance Battles. And as an added bonus they took out the downside of that system being of course that in rift you have to group with the people to fight together.

[nibelunc]

NO to PL claiming system and NO to less open field content and more instanced stuff. -.-

It's fast enough to level at the moment.
r1 - r15 in less then 20 minutes!?

[Kiote]

NO to PL claiming system and NO to less open field content and more instanced stuff. -.-

It's fast enough to level at the moment.
r1 - r15 in less then 20 minutes!?

All claiming systems are PL systems. The only none PL claiming system is the one where who ever deals the most damage gets the XP. Do you wanna fight over your XP?

Get a clue..