[dev1026] Changes to Claiming and Engaging Enemies

[AlexiaKidd]

I have to say I am very disappointed in the direction they are going with this claiming system. It is just giving you a free pass to PL and pretty much everyone will have an R50 outside of the party killing things for them. I hate to refer back to FFXI but what was so wrong with FFXI's claiming system. You claim it and it's yours nobody can touch it unless you call for help and then you get no reward. As for large scale PvE/PvP how is this new system better than what was in FFXI? In Campaign you could attack anything regardless of who was already attacking it and still be rewarded.

The current claim system would be fine if they allowed you to claim more than one thing without losing EXP/SP by doing so any links that come along can be dealt with. Then any content that needs it like large scale PvE just do it like Campaign.

Not sure this has been mentioned, but in current system you can already PL if you have a r50 character and it can just kill mobs and you get SP by not even touching the mob.
From what Ive been reading in the upcoming system the person who gets PL'd need to touch the mob first, after it can be killed by a high ranked character. So basically you cant just go afk and magically get to highest rank in no time.

This is also one of the stupidest things they haver done, that you can have a R50 in a party with a bunch of R20's that can one shot everything for them to get them the best SP possible. Again FFXI was much better in that EXP was based on the highest level player in the party so if a R50 killed a R30 mob for some R20's they would get the same SP the R50 would get, so nothing. Was it perfect in FFXI no but it seems like it was much better than what we have now and what is coming.

In short use FFXI's Claiming and EXP distribution system, also add level sync then if that R50 wants to play with his R20 friends he can sync to their level and help them that way.

[Synthesis]

huray ! another great thing I will wait till more patches then I will catch with the rest of you quickly. ) Now what hurts me is the fact, that all planned content will be for end-game linkshells again. So player like me in LS where are 3 people has only leves, craft and gathering avaible, so nothing new in content for low linkshells.

[Jabo]

How poeple always think of the worst case scenario only.

I think it is quit obvious that stuff is getting changed, when powerleveling starts to hurt other players experiences.
Mr. Yoshida is saying so in the transtlation himself.

There are also a lot of reasons why pl won't be that big of an issue here.

1. Grinding takes a lot of time. Repetitive, boring time. Don't know if we are going to find that much rank 50s to "help" out. Because...
2. FFXIV is all about leveling different classes. Getting to rank 50 isn't the focus of the game. It is getting as many classes to rank 50 that can help you. In other words: The rank 50s have good reasons to use their 20/30 classes and actually get sp for the hours of hours of grinding.
3. Doing leves speeds the process quit drastically along. We shouldn't forget about these.

But 2 things make me worry.
1. "AoEing" stuff. THM and CON can easily kill 10 mobs, of a much higher rank in seconds. They would be a pl beast if exp distribution is kind of similar.
2. I fear we will see similar restrictions like the 10 rank cap we have now, which would be quite lame.
There would be the first restriction "hard working" gamers will get because of the people who want to exploit the system and it concerns the players who optimized their gear and their skills. It would punish the best players.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

In the end its a personal choice as he said, play the game and grind it out or be that guy and get plvled to 50 it's your choice, if majority of the community wants to be that guy and get a ride to 50 then blame the community not the mechanics, because there should be options to help your friends as it does tighten the bonds of community..

Because it gives players options? What is so hard to understand from what Yoshi-P is saying? PL will not become a standard way to level if the community doesn't enforce it.

In the end it's the players choice to decide if they want to take their time leveling up. Doing solo leves or grind parties and really take the time to learn their class as they level up OR be Power leveled up by a friend to catch up with them and learn their class when they are high level.

Or a mix of the 2, who cares really? YOU play the game like you want to, others will do the same. I know for myself I will not want anyone to PL me so I will not ask for it and if someone offers I will politely decline, that's all.

If someone wants me to PL them? If I have nothing better to do, sure why not? it's their choice how they want to level up and in the end they can play however they want as long as it doesn't forces me to do the same.

chill out and stop seeing the worse in things (that's for everyone)

[Nakiamiie]

Alrighty, Yoshida made a large post regarding the new claim system this morning and we've been working on getting you guys the translation - sorry about the delay.

Best Yoshida explanation ever! I support the new claiming system for sure!!

[Loony_BoB]

I don't know about "Power Leveling" - I just don't want to be left behind or too far ahead of my friends. If this happens, at the moment it means "stop playing the game". Personally, I would have preferred Level Sync as that is, for me, the perfect way to avoid this problem.

So here's a question to all those against power leveling (and I'm not saying I'll be involved in it, I probably won't if it means people look at me with disgust in the game...): If there is no level sync, what would you prefer I do if I want to get to the same rank as my friends: Power level, or stop playing?

At the moment my gf and I are carefully balancing but on occasion she'll want to play more than I do and will end up a few levels ahead, so she has to stop playing for a while as I play catch up. It's not ideal at all. When our friends all join in (we have a lot of friends interested in FFXIV but many are waiting for further developments in the game before buying / returning), it will be an issue once again, as we will likely be 30-50 levels ahead of them.

[Validas]

If this is the finalized course of action regarding leveling can we get an auto-translate for...

{Thanks for the help, but I'd rather do this on my own}

[DNO]

Wow am I the only one who thinks helping other players in trouble will be a lot more fun with this system than XI's help command that basically meant throwing away the XP reward altogether.

no your not the only one. as always people are thinking EVERYONE is gonna PL and kill parties when in fact they are crazy. when my friends start (when ps3 comes out) i will have all DOW at cap and ill be helping them out for a while. but people are crazy if they think ill be PL ANYBODY from level 1-40ish. (can not PL if the mobs can beat you). ill get my friends a couple of lvls then im going to do my thing. i did not come on to PL someone.

Its just funny that people think this will have any effect at all. I can not find a party outside my LS for anything right now. After 1.19 it will still be the same. and its not cause of a PL.

[DNO]

news players to the game will be boned if they don't know anyone way to go!

just no.

Without PL is way to easy to rank up now. this will not change anything.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

just no.

Without PL is way to easy to rank up now. this will not change anything.

I agree, I started all over with patch 1.18, and I am practically level 40 now on my main and 20 for THM, did all quests whenever they were available and story missions.

So it took me 1 month to get to that point, might take overall 2 months to get to 50. How is that being boned?

PL will not take over, they just don't want to be too restrictive if someone wants to be PL'ed and enjoys it that way. If that person isn't you, then why do you care? I sure don't care if someone gets to level 50 in 2 weeks or if takes them 2 years, I will get there when I will get there myself and others can get there at their own pace.

Level sync will probably be coming, there was a little post by Yoshi after that one bug post and he mentionned it

from Reinheart's thread:

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida
連投ですが「レベル格差PTとレベルシンク」については、
Another post but regarding "Level difference PT and level sync"

・コンテンツ突入時にレベルシンクを行うシステム
・同レベル帯のプレイヤーとPTを手軽に編成するシステム
system where it level syncs when entering a content,
system where it's easier to PT with same level range.


で、大部分解消できると思っていますので、仕様は詰めています。
少なくとも後者はかなり大規模なシステムを想定しており、
実装時期が先になることから、現段階ではまず、PT募集の仕組みを
できる限り調整しようと考えています。こちらは別途続報をお待ちください。
With these two it should solve a lot, we are working on the methods.
We are currently thinking of making as much possible adjustments to PT invitation method since we are thinking a large-scale system and because the implementation timing is far off. Will announce this one at another time, please wait.

ちなみにレベルシンクは「レベルシンク用の装備枠が！」とセットなので、
そちらも頭には入っています。
Also for level sync "Equipment set for level sync!" is a set so that's also there.

So yeah, if you want to play with your friends and do not want to be PL'ed, you will have that option. If you want your friend to PL you and they agree, you have that option as well. It's all about option and I like that decision, in the end it's how YOU decide how to level up that matters.

everyone wins~