[dev1026] Changes to Claiming and Engaging Enemies

[Blue79]

wtf

I seriously never wanted a 'dislike' button so bad. I'm not the type to rage quit, but I honestly don't see myself playing this game long term. I really disagree with a lot of Yoshi's vision for the game and will probably phase out as i find other things to do.

1. He basically said it's too hard to deal with power leveling so they're just not going to try / green light mass cheatting. Easy fix: if a player is engaged, he cannot be cast upon (heal, buf, ect) by anyone not in his party. Done. For the mass pve, instanced, cluster---k he meantioned they wanted to add in the future... also easy... everyon in the raid is considered in one mass alliance, parties still exist, but claims/rewards/ability to target/heal is shared among the alliance

2. He also essentially said this will be a raid centric game... {no thanks}, if i wanted a raid fest i'd have gone with a company who can do things right the first time, listens to its players, and doesn't have such buggy code that the game dc's or crashes all the time. FF = excellent storylines, stick with what you're good at and don't try and be a WoW clone... you really don't understand that market and can't compete on quality...

3. don't you dare say (yoshi) anything about bots, they're already common (at least on my server) and nothing has been done about any of them despite numerous reports to your 'special task force'. It's obvious that you and your team do not care about people cheating in this game, so how can you expect us as players to respect it when you obviously don't.


seriously, i'm not mad, ragging or whatever... i'm just sad for this game; it had so much potential to outdo it's predecessor and yet imo it's just being driven into the ground by incompetence and poor choices. all my hope has gone to pity i guess

[nibelunc]

wtf

this.

seriously, i'm not mad, ragging or whatever... i'm just sad for this game; it had so much potential to outdo it's predecessor and yet imo it's just being driven into the ground by incompetence and poor choices. all my hope has gone to pity i guess

...and THIS.

Well... I want to try out the changes they make first but I REALLY don't get the coin why they are reworking and fixing things which aren't broken or nobody wants to be changed.

I often read in this forum but I never heard "we wan't heavily instanced content" or "I want to share my mobs with other players". Yoshi seems to be a big WoW fan and I really hate WoW. So it can't take too long for me to leave this game. As you said - I want FF, not another MMORPG.

[Firon]

So the only Defense people have against this system is PL'ing you can alrdy do that. As a matter of the fact i should get a lodestone achievement for PL'ing the 5 ppl i help get to 15. Now lets be serious forum lurkers, all of you who are so against pl'ing you can alrdy do it now, get over it, you can not pay Firon Veleth all the gil in the world to sit there and kill shit for 40+ mins w/o any progression going to my char(unless it is helping with nm's). So ask your self this, will you sit there for hour's upon hours killing shit mindlessly for nothing?

[Aldora]

I've been reading through this thread, but what i don't understand is why people are so against PL'ing? It's not like you HAVE TO... If you want to work for your ranks/levels (like i do) then kudo's for you. But if somebody wants to get to a certain rank in order to play with friends, do dungeons, want to perform a specific role in a party, etc... What's wrong with that? It's his/her choice, not yours. If people ask for money to PL, so what? It's not like you or anybody else have to accept that offer.

Why should anyone care if someone else wants to be PL'ed or help someone (perhaps by PL'ing him/her)? It's their decision anyway...

1. He basically said it's too hard to deal with power leveling so they're just not going to try / green light mass cheatting. Easy fix: if a player is engaged, he cannot be cast upon (heal, buf, ect) by anyone not in his party. Done. For the mass pve, instanced, cluster---k he meantioned they wanted to add in the future... also easy... everyon in the raid is considered in one mass alliance, parties still exist, but claims/rewards/ability to target/heal is shared among the alliance

PL'ing is not cheating. It's a sanctioned way of leveling a character through the help of others. Nothing wrong with that... Personally, i don't want a system where you can't heal someone who is not in your party. If i'm doing my thing in the game and suddenly i see someone fighting a monster that i think (s)he will lose, i'll help out by healing him/her. Just heal, so that (s)he can kill the monster. Afterwards, I don't want some kind of reward for that. A simple "Thank you" would suffice.

Also, from what i understood, it's the player who attacks the monster first will claim it and recieve the rewards. Even if (s)he gets help from the outside.

Yoshi said the following is his post:

"I decided that it would be best for the player or party that attacked the monster first to obtain rights to the rewards. This makes it so that “the early bird gets the worm,” which I think is the simplest solution."

And also:

"I will provide an example involving soloing that is easy to understand. (Power leveling a party involving multiple levels is complicated) Suppose you attack a level 50 monster with your level 1 character. If a level 50 character nearby kills the level 50 monster, the skill points will be given to the level 1 character.

However, the gap between your level 1 character and the level 50 monster is too large, so the “defeating a higher rank monster bonus” will be significantly reduced. The experience points earned by the level 1 character will be adjusted quite drastically.

Suppose you attack a level 3 monster with your level 1 character and a level 50 character nearby kills the level 3 monster. The level 3 monster is appropriate for a level 1 character, so there will be no major drastic loss in experience points."
So, it doesn't matter if i would heal him/her so that (s)he can kill the monster, or if i just one shot it if i feel that (s)he is in trouble. I will not get any reward from the monster, so in my opinion it's a win-win situation for the person i was trying to help.

3. don't you dare say (yoshi) anything about bots, they're already common (at least on my server) and nothing has been done about any of them despite numerous reports to your 'special task force'. It's obvious that you and your team do not care about people cheating in this game, so how can you expect us as players to respect it when you obviously don't.

Didn't Yoshi say the following in his post?

"It is not easy to distinguish whether the above actions are an act of good will or serve the purpose of RMT or leveling up other characters for money.

By investigating logs, it is possible to identify for-profit violators and mete out punishment, but it would be very difficult to completely put an end to these actions."

And also:

"Players can aggressively fight each other over experience points, classes that do not do much damage are at a disadvantage, and for-profit violators can create bots that randomly attack monsters and steal EXP. (As I said earlier, we will punish for-profit violators. However, we do not want to ban ordinary players, so it will take us time to properly identify for-profit violators.)"

For now it will appear that they aren't doing anything about bots and RMT's. The same applied for FFXI, WoW, and other MMO's i've been playing. However, every once and a while you will get to see messages on the official sites that an x amount of accounts have been banned due to RMT/Illegal activities.

Games will never be rid of RMT's. There is always a way to do it outside of the game. However, SE can bring it down to a bare minimum by detecting the RMT/Illegal activities and banning their accounts.

[Dreadnought]

i used to get power leveled by both friends and other people friends once in a while in FFXI. i coudnt wait to get out of valkurm dunes.
brand new players most likely wont be getting much PL help due to not knowing many people and the ones that already have ingame friends will only get PLed so much because their friends have stuff to do and places to be.
powerleveling exists very much in FFXI, WoW and Rift and yet it never hurt the grouping aspect of any of those games AT ALL.
what is everyone all in an uproar about?
im not sure how the no claiming system will work but the powerleveling issue is basically a non issue to me.
it just doesnt happen that often in any MMO because high level players have things to do.

[Kiote]

Honestly, who in their right mind would want to play an MMO where you cannot under any circumstances help the people around you?

[Blue79]

Well... I want to try out the changes they make first but I REALLY don't get the coin why they are reworking and fixing things which aren't broken or nobody wants to be changed.

I often read in this forum but I never heard "we wan't heavily instanced content" or "I want to share my mobs with other players". Yoshi seems to be a big WoW fan and I really hate WoW. So it can't take too long for me to leave this game. As you said - I want FF, not another MMORPG.

agreed, people(myself included) complain about a lot of things... mail system, ah, jobs, r1-50 zones, anima/trans, ect ect ect... but i've never seen people shouting for raid focus or free for all power leveling (yes, currently you have some power leveling, but the proposed changes opens it wide and encourages it...

why are they trying to rush people to end game??? there is no end game content!

@Aldora
Obviously we see this is very different ways and I don't expect either of us to change our view. IMO this news is probably the end for my interest in the game

[Blue79]

Honestly, who in their right mind would want to play an MMO where you cannot under any circumstances help the people around you?

help =/= power level

I HELP people kill NMs for gear, I HELP people with faction leves, I HELP people complete the storyline and job missions...

killing mobs for someone so they can skip to mid or end game isn't 'helping them, it's giving them levels, there's a difference

[Kiote]

The system doesn't encourage power leveling, it encourages community assistance. Power leveling has not ever been a serious problem because the people who power level do so to play with the people they are power leveling. This system isn't going to lead to a mass of noobs trying to infect your game play experience.

Odds are the "Power Leveling" you people are referring to will not be significantly faster than standard partying due to something like loss of chain or lack of links.

[Kiote]

help =/= power level

I HELP people kill NMs for gear, I HELP people with faction leves, I HELP people complete the storyline and job missions...

killing mobs for someone so they can skip to mid or end game isn't 'helping them, it's giving them levels, there's a difference

You've never been desperately close to completing something that is very hard or very rare and someone comes by and watches you die? Imagine how it will be when all people can do is watch you die.