Prices are To hight (in relative terms)

[DracotheDragon]

EDIT NOTE: THE WALL OF (now fixed) MATH IS DOWN AT POST 8 IT IS GOING TO BE UPDATED AT 8pm GMT with numbers i have gained thank you


hey so i was talking to some of my friends and i think the Prices of some things are placed to high in comparison to other prizes as well as the way we earn MGP currently

so not get me wrong i love the grind in this, and it is very enjoyable, but something about the pricing seems off seeing how little we are gaining.

for example The NPC outfits the bunny outfit and high gambler are all brilliantly priced
1000 to 3000 per this is a nice amount that a lot of wins in Chocobo racing and gold saucer will grant youthis means that it will take time but it is a nice price to have This is a good relative price

Gamberler set, being a High roller means you earn high, this is a good pricing 100,000 for the main suit would show you worked hard for this.
bunny is the same as gambler This is a good relative price

Adamantoise (200,000) a mount that is double the price of the gambler set in relation it shows you worked hard for this mount and your going to brag to all of your friends This is a good relative price

but this is where we start hitting a weird spot
Cloud strife (1 million) a card that has good stats from what i have herd but when you compare you can get several cards from the world of darkness and other trials that are better, as well as a card that is basicly the best car din the game for free (if you win the tounyment 2nd best card being squall which is also free) this places this as a massive MGP sink, in my eyes yes it is a very strong card but ultimately useless, to a heavy collector by the time they buy this card.

Fenrir (1 million) this is the mount everyone wants, its no joke this is the sole reason most are going into the gold saucer, so they can ride there fave mount.
but, the cost of 1 million only means the only PLAUSIBLE way to earn this mount, is one of the following
beat the king of triple triad a total of 10,000 times (wins with 0 loses and 0 percheses)
or win a total of 14,000 chocobo races, now lets continue this each chocobo race is about 3 mins so thats 420,000 mins MINIMUM (again winning ever match and getting into every match, thats 29.1 days (24 hours no brakes) [fixed with proper math] CONSECUTIVELY. each triple tired match is roughly the same (give or take about 4 to 10 days)

following with the Gates that are random as well they will take at most 7 months of non stop winning to get close to possibly having the mount or card.

a more RELATIVE price is to half the mount to 500,000 and lower the card to in between the turtle and mount 300,000. this is a relative price that makes this impossibly long grind you have placed, into a much shorter time span, but it means it is not impossibly long to cause us to lose interest.

unless your planning to add in GATES, or attractions to make owning these mounts and card more plausible to our playing, then this mount will only ever be won by the lucky person who wins the jumbo cacpot.

please devs, please rethink the prices and make it more balanced in relative terms to the other things you have placed within the shop, as well as the amount we are earning. because currently it is as if we are the fat chocobo, and your holding the gyshal green (mount/ card)infront of our faces



TL: DR
Currently if you are FLAWLESS with triple triad and do not take ANY brakes, you will have your fenrir mount in 291 days if you try to include lets say 6 hours sleep per day that almost doubles to 2 years.
29.1 days, make it down to 12 hours aday it is 58.2 days half that again to 6 hours a day and you have it in 116.4 days almost 4 months solid
(corrected due to wrong math)

please re think the prices of your high reward items.


a good quote:
{i was pointed out i did a mis calculation on my math, this quote is still however good.}

something taking 291 days, without break is a tad too long. Lets say you only spent 12 hours a day playing this game, rather than 24, thats now 582 days, or 3 hours a day, which gets us 2328 or 6.4 years. Now yes, this is a gambling joint, so you could get lucky, and reduce that grind by an ammount, could be 10k a day, could only be 100. But taking it at base figures, not counting for good luck, over 6 years to get one item is more than ridiculous.

[Chiramu]

Chocobo racing has more MGP return than Triple Triad imo. Also the Cactpot needs to be brought into consideration, everyone has the ability to receive 1 million MGP if they match all numbers, if the prices were reduced then a winner of the Cactpot will be able to buy everything in one go.

The Gold Saucer is staying in Eorzea, it is not going away so there is no need to reduce the cost of items because it's suppose to take time.

[DracotheDragon]

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i did take the Jumbo Jackpot into consideration, 1 person is allegeable to win the grand prize each week, which is fine and dandy, they can get everything there hearts wishes, but the prizes for 2nd 3rd ect, do not scratch close to make these one million items even plausible, for example, Let us say that they randomly once a week gave someone an achievement with the mount attached, there is no other way to earn this mount, that means the grand prize is the mount, and thus people would try to win,
but when you have something that is available in another means (such as MGP) then taking time (which was added up to (with no sleep or distractions) 291 days. this is asking for way to much, imagine the PVP set, only being available after 100,000 matches instead of the 200 to 300 we have now, none would even attempt for the vanity, some who have the ADS mount worked hard for 200 wins and have records of up to 400 to 500 matches, this is a relative way to gain the item.

to have pure RNG give you an item, while those who strive to earn it will never see it except for those lucky few who win the jackpot, then the price is to high, lowering it, would make it still a challenge into itself, and would still require a lot of work (i aint saying hand it out to everyone) but i am saying make it a more realistic goal for the players.


also Winning against most NPC's in triple triad = 117 MGP (after multiple wins, 180 before)
coming first in Chocobo racing up to 90 MGP

Sadly, there will likely be no change. 100% of the prizes are glamours, so Square wants people to build up their points as a long term side goal rather than the Gold Saucer being the ONLY thing people log in for.

i under stand they want it to be a long term goal, but i think they placed it in the to far long term goal, using the time i have made of 291 days if i didn't sleep eat or go to the bathroom, by the time i got the mount, it would be most likely in 4.2 or 4.3 by then other mounts will come in, and other vanity items in the saucer (only adding to the length) i find this far to long for what they intended.

[Chiramu]

also Winning against most NPC's in triple triad = 117 MGP (after multiple wins 180 before)
coming first in Chocobo racing up to 90 MGP

You can earn more MGP by playing other players than you can against NPCs. There is no match fee against players.

[DracotheDragon]

You can earn more MGP by playing other players than you can against NPCs. There is no match fee against players.

the grind regardless is actually much longer if you play with players due to the win streak to prevent farming,
NPC's after the win streak earn more but you still have to pay to play
the chocobo races always have the same price attached to them.

pvp triple triad
before win streak with Players up to 150 to 160 MGP
after win streak with players up to 25 Mgp
Cost to start = 0
Consecutive wins to get fenrir 40,000 (1 million / 25 sticking to the after win bonus)

NPC's
HIGHEST PAYING NPC's
cost to play= 45 (some cost 40 and a few 30)
Winning before win streak = 200
after win streak = 117 ( up to 120)
Wins to get fenrir = less then 10,000

lowest paying NPC's
cost to play 15
winning before win streak = 120
after win streak = 50
wins to fenrir = up to 20,000 wins

chocobo racing
cost to play = 10
1st up to 90 (it goes down by 10 down to 8th which is less then 10) (Higher ranks HAVE higher rewards)
1st place wins to fenrir = up to 14,000

me and a few of my friends were testing a lot of NPC's players and chocobo racing to come up with these numbers >.< that we then had other people test to prove it as well

to follow the idea i had above, knocks most of these down by half, still making them a challenge to obtain but making the mini jackpot and the jumbo for those who come 2nd +, a chance to actually get close and win there mount by earning there MGP


EDIT: more math

WTFungah is the highest gross profit from all the GATE's it is PURE RNG

WTfungah
Prize from winning = 1600
Cost = 50
Time/wins to get to fenrir (1 million / 1550 ) = 645 wins (a small grind after) there is a achivement if your LUCKY to see 30 wins.
it SPAWNS randomly once per 2 hours and is only open for 2 mins, this means this could take LONGER then the methods above

Prizes from Gates
WTFungah = 1600
Vase-off = 140 (has been noted it can go to 340 on first attempt if you are successful)
Body switcher = 340
(dancing mini game) = 490 (flawless being i beleave 550)
cliff hanger = 160

Best Strat for gaining the MOST MGP
Farm the king with TT,
and do every Gate in-between
only do each Gate once if you fail return to the king and grind.
rinse repeat.

[Tiggy]

You can earn more MGP by playing other players than you can against NPCs. There is no match fee against players.

That bonus only applies to the first 5 matches of the day. Even if you lose the match counts.

Honestly I don't understand the logic behind those prices.

They are acting as a deterrent from spending points in chocobo race items and the quality of the said content doesn't justify the long grind. They are maybe planning to sell a MGP boost in the mog station, eventually.

FC bonus action?

[CheshirePuss]

i did take the Jumbo Jackpot into consideration, 1 person is allegeable to win the grand prize each week, which is fine and dandy, they can get everything there hearts wishes, but the prizes for 2nd 3rd ect, do not scratch close to make these one million items even plausible.

Isn't that similar to how the actual lottery works? Weekly schpeel aside I mean.

[Auloriel]

I think a lot of folks are sore about the price of Fenrir because we were shown the picture of the mount without anything to damper our excitement. Had they said, "Fenrir will be really hard to earn, and only a few will likely ever acquire him", the hype would not have been as..... it would have been toned down.

Instead, we get a picture of him with no indication that acquisition will be different than any previous mounts, leaving our hype and enthusiasm to run wild.

But, to be entirely honest I am not too upset by Fenrir. I do hope that the first several winners of the jumbo cacpot are cool people and not dicks, or they will only enflame the world they are on by constant bragging and generally being a sore winner.

[Linadae]

I think a lot of folks are sore about the price of Fenrir because we were shown the picture of the mount without anything to damper our excitement. Had they said, "Fenrir will be really hard to earn, and only a few will likely ever acquire him", the hype would not have been as..... it would have been toned down.

Instead, we get a picture of him with no indication that acquisition will be different than any previous mounts, leaving our hype and enthusiasm to run wild.

But, to be entirely honest I am not too upset by Fenrir. I do hope that the first several winners of the jumbo cacpot are cool people and not dicks, or they will only enflame the world they are on by constant bragging and generally being a sore winner.

You'd think they'd have learned from the initial (and secondary) housing price fiasco that sticker shock causes nothing but havoc, anger, and resentment.

[Niwashi]

i did take the Jumbo Jackpot into consideration, 1 person is allegeable to win the grand prize each week

Where did you hear that? Because in-game it just says that what you win is a matter of how many of the digits you match. There are even a couple NPCs nearby talking about it. One says something to the effect of "So, the odds of winning the grand prize are approximately 10,000 to 1, right?" and his companion answers "If by 'approximately' you mean 'exactly' then yes."

Your chances of winning the grand prize (or any of the other prizes for that matter) aren't impacted by whether anyone else has those same numbers or not. It's just a matter of how many of your numbers match the chosen ones. The only impact other players have on your results is whether there are enough tickets sold to unlock all the various bonuses that increase the payouts for each prize.

Speaking of those bonuses, does anyone know whether they're already accounted for in the listed payout amounts? Or are they added on top of that? (If the bonuses are in addition to the listed payouts, then even the "consolation" prize for no matches is enough to pay for the price of the ticket.)