Please remove Shark Fin Soup

[Ryu_Hayabusaa]

hey i have an idea, go hug a tree.

[Kosmos992k]

hey i have an idea, go hug a tree.

...shouldn't that be "go hug a shark'?

Gotta voice my support for the OP.

Including a dish that is tied to an extremely destructive real world industry, and promoting it as a positive thing is problematic. I would hope that this game would never promote actions such as poaching, or whaling, so why is shark fin soup here? If it were something that Baelsar ate to show what a dick he is then I'd be fine with it, but it's not.

All it would take is a name/ingredient change, really. Pugil Fin Soup works just fine.

Why have you 'gotta' support the OP's efforts at trolling?
1. As for "promoting it as a positive thing", I see no evidence that SE promotes it(shark fin soup or harvesting shark fins) as a positive thing, you might as well say that any encyclopedia or other informational reference for Shark fin soup (or harvesting shark fins) in the real world promotes it as a positive thing. IMHO you're making a ridiculous statement that buys into the fantasy land of the OP's original troll.
2. Poaching is already in the game, the archer class quests involve chasing down and attempting to kill poachers, heck the South Shroud is full of poachers...
3. I'll not get drug into a discussion of whaling. However you're deliberately conflating something that Japan has historically (for 100's and 100's of years) been culturally involved in with the subject of shark fin soup - a Chinese delicacy.
4.Why does Pugil Fin Soup work better? Megalodon is a long extinct creature that never existed during written human history (good lord the bloody thing pre-dates human history by something like 2 million years - [Edit: thanks to tired eyes, I failed to spot the decimal point, it's 2 (two) million, not 20 million as I originally commented]), it might as well be fictional. Pugil is just as real - to the point of being a made up name for a creature no one has ever seen live... Except in the world of eorzea, Pugil are not fictional and are very much alive (as are Megalodon apparently). so how does switching it work within the context of Eorzea? How does that switch do anything in the real world context of Megalodon being little more than a name we give to a long extinct creature?
5. the Color text for items is completely re-written by the localization team, so without a direct translation of the original japanese text for comparison, we don't know whether this is something inserted during localization or part of the original text anyway...

Good grief....

[Amiantos]

...shouldn't that be "go hug a shark'?

Stolen from imgur.

[Raist]

What baffles me is how this thread has gone for so long without getting deleted or at least locked by the moderators... so many violations to the TOS...

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As for the description... seems like the OP may simply be reading way too much into it (possibly because of his/her personal convictions on the topic), and ignoring what negates one of the concerns about how the shark is not consumed but discarded in the real world scenario. It's almost like he/she read this part:

"The massive fin of a megalodon, boiled in a rich Far Eastern broth until soft and gelatinous."

And got all incensed and completely neglected to read the rest:

"While not included in the soup, the remainder of the sharkflesh is salted and dried until rock hard, then shaved into paper-thin slices which, when boiled in hot water, create a savory soup that is the base of countless other recipes."

In case you missed it... they are saying the remaining flesh is used in other recipes. This clearly is not a case of people carving off fins and releasing the shark back into the water. It describes instead that culinarians use the flesh in other recipes. Note this does not limit us to just the players that are culinarians....there are items in this game that the players cannot craft, but there are culinarians, alchemists, goldsmiths, etc. that do make things and sell them or we otherwise obtain them as rewards from events and instanced content--or even killing open world mobs.

There doesn't seem to be some inherent political agenda at play with this item (perhaps a bit of a CYA routine in case someone was concerned about people just whacking off the fins)...but seems more like a political agenda of the reader coming into play. Which, makes the post and this thread essentially in violation of the forum rules and as such needs to at least be locked.

[LineageRazor]

In case you missed it... they are saying the remaining flesh is used in other recipes. This clearly is not a case of people carving off fins and releasing the shark back into the water. It describes instead that culinarians use the flesh in other recipes. Note this does not limit us to just the players that are culinarians....there are items in this game that the players cannot craft, but there are culinarians, alchemists, goldsmiths, etc. that do make things and sell them or we otherwise obtain them as rewards from events and instanced content--or even killing open world mobs.

The OP did not miss it, and directly mentions it in the first post. He believes that this text is an attempt to convince players of the game that this is the typical practice of real-life finners. He thinks that the text is attempting to justify real-life shark finning by tricking players into thinking that it's humane, in order to promote and justify real-life shark finning.

As I have mentioned in previous posts, I find this to be extremely unlikely, and that the text is instead meant to reassure in-game crafters that they are not horrible people for making Shark Fin soup, since the horrible real-life practices are NOT the methods used in-game.

For the OP's opinion to be fact, Square-Enix would need to have a significant interest in promoting shark-finning, enough to risk the political backlash that would come from taking a firm pro-finning stance. For this kind of message to make sense, SE would need to have powerful ties to the shark-finning industry - and to my knowledge, that simply isn't the case. They aren't going to take such a risk unless there's a substantial amount of personal gain to be had. Heck, shark fin soup isn't even all that popular in Japan - it's primarily consumed in China.

Since it makes absolutely no sense for SE to want to glorify shark finning, I maintain that SE is not attempting to glorify shark finning.

[Raist]

The OP did not miss it, and directly mentions it in the first post. He believes that this text is an attempt to convince players of the game that this is the typical practice of real-life finners. He thinks that the text is attempting to justify real-life shark finning by tricking players into thinking that it's humane, in order to promote and justify real-life shark finning.

Unfortunately though, he/she is completely ignoring the statement and how it ties into the crafting/merchant/reward system of this game:

This is an outright lie. A virtual lie because the only other recipe that includes Megalodon is a trophy recipe from GSM. The truth is that shark meat is not used as the broth in Shark Fin Soup or any other popular soup. It is not savory. Shark Fin Soup actually uses a pork or chicken broth. Ironically, the chicken broth is the only part of the soup that has any nutritional value or taste.

Completely glossing over the point that the remaining flesh is indeed used for other purposes...and goes on to tie it all into the real world practice. When your entire premise is based on incongruent facts/details, your cause falls apart.

Regardless, the OP and so much of this thread is in violation of forum guidelines... hopefully the moderators will step in and deal with it soon enough.

[Kosmos992k]

Unfortunately though, he/she is completely ignoring the statement and how it ties into the crafting/merchant/reward system of this game:


Completely glossing over the point that the remaining flesh is indeed used for other purposes...and goes on to tie it all into the real world practice. When your entire premise is based on incongruent facts/details, your cause falls apart.

Regardless, the OP and so much of this thread is in violation of forum guidelines... hopefully the moderators will step in and deal with it soon enough.

I have to admit to being surprised it's not been locked at least...

[SlyRoyale]

PETA pls go and stay go, kthxbai~

[myahele]

Lol, yeah. The mods are pretty quick when it comes to these and I am sure read out post, but only reply if it's important.

Seeing that this has gone so long i guess it's more or less fine until it gets TOO out of hand the the post: "click for the hot chick, stay for the loz"