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    LineageRazor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    PS. one definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result...at which point I would refer you to your 1st sentence.
    Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is pretty much the whole idea of RNG.

    Does this mean that RNG = insanity?

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    I don't think I'm going to argue with that!

    "We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad... You must be, or else you wouldn't have come here." - The Cheshire Cat, "Alice in Wonderland"
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is pretty much the whole idea of RNG.

    Does this mean that RNG = insanity?
    Well we do all pray to RNJesus so we'v got to all be at least a bit mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    PS. one definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
    I don't particularly agree with the gripes of the TC, just sounds like one of many upset that people around them are scoring the Bahamut card or something while they're still planted in front of King Elmer.

    Anywho, that aside, I am tired of seeing this particular quote thrown around so easily on these forums, especially when the topic in-question is random number generators. The whole point of running content over and over for a RNG item they want is to finally see "a different result." That's the whole basis behind Primal drops, Coil, WoD, whatever. Doing them differently isn't going to change what pops out at the end. By that logic everyone is insane for replaying content more than once if what they want doesn't drop.

    I can agree with the rest of your post though, just not that "PS." tidbit. Maybe I can find fault with "the dev's intention of the content" (lolhunts), but that's too much of a tangent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cidel View Post
    Anywho, that aside, I am tired of seeing this particular quote thrown around so easily on these forums, especially when the topic in-question is random number generators.
    As I understand it, the cards you can obtain from the NPCs are limited in scope. So, playing and replaying against the NPCs in the expectation of getting anything other than the bog standard cards you already have sounds pretty insane to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    As I understand it, the cards you can obtain from the NPCs are limited in scope. So, playing and replaying against the NPCs in the expectation of getting anything other than the bog standard cards you already have sounds pretty insane to me.
    Most NPCs from my understanding, have at least 1 rare card to obtain and the rest ( 1-2 are common).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    Most NPCs from my understanding, have at least 1 rare card to obtain and the rest ( 1-2 are common).
    Then I stand corrected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    As I understand it, the cards you can obtain from the NPCs are limited in scope. So, playing and replaying against the NPCs in the expectation of getting anything other than the bog standard cards you already have sounds pretty insane to me.
    What about the people who farmed ex primals in hope to get something that is not standard drop, the ponies?
    Can we call now the ponies atma ponies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    What about the people who farmed ex primals in hope to get something that is not standard drop, the ponies?
    Can we call now the ponies atma ponies?
    Only if I can call mine Twilight sparkle....:P

    I was under the impression that the NPCs only yielded common cards, not rare ones, as I replied to Starlord, who corrected that understanding, I stand corrected.

    That said, when a drop rate is abysmally low, I do think that the quote applies, I mean, I once spent about 2 months of game play trying to farm a specific item in a game. It was required to unlock a dual weild ability, and the drop rate was well below 1%, some speculated it was as low as 0.01%. Based on personal expeience, I would agree that the rate could well have been that low. I would also have found it impossible to disagree with anyone looking at that situation and advising me that doing the same thing over and over in the hope of a different outcome was insane. In the end, I got the item from a completely differnent quest that the game added specifically to alleviate the problem.

    The lesson I learned then was that farming something with such a low drop rate is borderline insane because of the potential to spend months of time on a single item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Can we call now the ponies atma ponies?
    While I don't have any quotes handy, it would surprise me a great deal if obtaining ponies has not been compared to Atmas at SOME point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    I'm not entirely sure that it's meant to be played with such intensity over a short period of time in order to farm cards, I think the intention was for it to be an aside to the main game that people can pick up and put down as they go. Honestly if people play 50+ matches against 1 NPC every day for 2-3 days and get bored, it serves them bloody well right.

    PS. one definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result...at which point I would refer you to your 1st sentence.
    Except doing the same thing over and over in this game can actually give you a different result. That's the whole point of RNG(along with keeping people playing longer ofc).
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