How does Monk and Dragoon compare in difficulty and playstyle ?

[Quyn]

Choose from hard OGCD management and Position+Uptime management, and way to go.

I looked at all the Dragoon OGCD Skills, and they all share 60 to 120 secs cooldowns. (except leg sweep?)

Why is that a challenge to manage, when really, they have such long cooldowns, you could potentially macro alot of them together for when you want to push your burst dps ?

It doesnt sound that hard.


what am i missing here ?

[Dunncan]

I looked at all the Dragoon OGCD Skills, and they all share 60 to 120 secs cooldowns. (except leg sweep?)

Why is that a challenge to manage, when really, they have such long cooldowns, you could potentially macro alot of them together for when you want to push your burst dps ?

It doesnt sound that hard.


what am i missing here ?

The problem is not how they align, but the small window you have to use they (and therefor mistake some). For example, on the burst, you have to put 17 buttons in an 20s window. It may look enough time, but when you add latency (DAMN latency), moving to positional, avoiding AoE (otherwise your Jump lock animation kills you), etc, etc, it becomes a bit tricky. Of course that, as of any Job, it gets easier the more you play with the class.

Macro doesn't work well for Dragoons because the CD have some align between them, but won't always come together with some skill. And sometimes, you'll even want to delay it, depending of the encounter mechanics. It's not a hard Job to play with, it's actually fun. But when you try to push every single dps you can, it starts to get dificult to correctly manage your CDs trought the encounter, and it's frustrating when you miss that 1 or 2 OffGCD and notice a large dps loss because of it.

Also, you need to rework all your rotation when you have disconects, in a way to minimize the DPS loss. It's not simple as "start from the begining", it's very situational.

You can take a look HERE and see more of Dragoons, but what I can tell you is that you really should level up both Jobs, at least until the point where you say "Nah, it sux". For me, it was on Pugilist lvl.10 (lol), or Black Mage as soon as I got the job. I knew I could change my mind in the future, but I also knew that Goons looked like more fun since the begining, so I choose my Job.

And just for the record, most Dragoons level up MNK until lv. 46 (?) to get Mantra as cross skill, so it would not be a waste, if you, don't know, start leveling a MNK and decide to go for DRG.

[Tex_Mex]

I looked at all the Dragoon OGCD Skills, and they all share 60 to 120 secs cooldowns. (except leg sweep?)

Why is that a challenge to manage, when really, they have such long cooldowns, you could potentially macro alot of them together for when you want to push your burst dps ?

It doesnt sound that hard.


what am i missing here ?

So I don't think you looked at the CD's too well. Your 2 biggest DPS cooldowns (life surge and blood for blood are on 50 and 80 second CD's respectively)

Blood for Blood - 80 seconds
Internal Release - 60 seconds
Jump - 30 seconds
Power Surge - 60 seconds
Leg Sweep - 20 seconds
Life Surge - 50 seconds
Dragonfire Dive - 120 seconds
Spineshatter Dive - 60 seconds

As far as rotations - I will put them below:
MNK Rotation: (18 moves, 2 basic combos, adding in Touch of Death every 30 sec)
Dragon Kick -> Twin Snakes -> Demolish
Boot Shine -> True Strike -> Snap Punch
Dragon Kick -> Twin Snakes -> Snap Punch
Boot Shine -> True Strike -> Demolish
Dragon Kick -> Twin Snakes -> Snap Punch
Boot Shine -> Twin Snakes -> Snap Punch

DRG Rotation: (24 moves, 2 basic combos)
Heavy Thrust -> Impulse Drive -> Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust
Phlebotomize -> True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust
Heavy Thrust -> True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust
Phlebotomize -> Impulse Drive -> Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust
Heavy Thrust -> True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust
Phlebotomize -> True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust

The rotations are both very easy, with the MNK rotation being a little easier.

As far as DPS, MNK has significantly higher ST DPS than DRG. If that is all you care about, then go MNK

[Quyn]

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ah, once you add in the OGCD skills, dragoon seems busier.

[Esperacchius]

ah, once you add in the OGCD skills, dragoon seems busier.

Kinda but not really!

Take note of the skill delay on the weapons here and here.

This means that Monks have nearly a half second quicker GCD than Dragoons before any GL stacks or skill speed is taken into account. The only difficult thing to manage with dragoons is the animation lock on jumps. That shit will get you killed.

Don't listen to people that complain about Monk difficulty because of positional requirements. Once you get used to melee hitting positionals is second nature. You'll never have to think about it. If you're standing in the right spot it's literally one step to the left or right.

[Mibhas]

Kinda but not really!

Take note of the skill delay on the weapons here and here.

This means that Monks have nearly a half second quicker GCD than Dragoons before any GL stacks or skill speed is taken into account. The only difficult thing to manage with dragoons is the animation lock on jumps. That shit will get you killed.

Don't listen to people that complain about Monk difficulty because of positional requirements. Once you get used to melee hitting positionals is second nature. You'll never have to think about it. If you're standing in the right spot it's literally one step to the left or right.

Only thing that changes GCD cooldowns is Skillspeed; the "Delay" on the Weapons is the time between autoattacks, not GCD cooldowns.

[Tex_Mex]

Only thing that changes GCD cooldowns is Skillspeed; the "Delay" on the Weapons is the time between autoattacks, not GCD cooldowns.

Mibhas is correct on this one.