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    Player
    Nalien's Avatar
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    Taisai Jin
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    Twintania
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    Lancer Lv 64
    Kind of hope they change the deck system from "Only one rare card" to "Only X number of stars allowed"; So currently you can have four 1* cards and one 5* card = 9* maximum total. You could also have one 3*, two 2* and two 1* since it would be the same total of stars.

    Not too sure how balanced that would be though. Fully accept them giving NPCs the advantage they have, because the AI is too easy to beat without it, PvP is the only concern and I guess I can understand the limitation for that, since it would result in the exact same issue Wolves' Den had (veterans are overpowered with rare cards/morale, new players get put off after being crushed).
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    SummonerSenah's Avatar
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    Senah Kha
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I did pretty well with a deck that had Amal'ja, Ixal, Moogle, Coeurl, and and Chocobo until I got better cards. Amal'ja, Moogle, and Chocobo all have 7s on at least one side and are easy to get.

    Also the point of running primals or dungeons for cards is to get to 30 cards that you own. Even if you can't use them when you get them, that's still adding cards to your deck. And then when you hit 30 cards you can start using the rare cards you have.
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    Shake0615's Avatar
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    K'atya Jhamei
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    It takes a lot of luck. Sometimes it's when you get lucky and win against an NPC. Sometimes you get lucky and get a decent card from the Bronze, Silver and Gold packs. There's a big hump at the beginning but once you get over it, it's much more fun.
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    BlueThunder's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Blue Thunder
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    I have 48 cards right now. Reaching the 30 mark is quite easy if you know which NPC gives what card and how to beat it using a 4 or 5 star card on top of the other 4 1star cards.

    The big problem lies with the later difficult NPCs that fully ignore the Random rule *coughcoughRowena/Landanelcoughcough*.

    With the Random rule you are still forced by your restrictions, handicaping you more because you are likely to draw your worse cards anyways while the examples above, Rowena and Landanel, both have powerhouses of 3, 4 and 5 star cards that have 2 or 3 sides with a 7+ giving you little to no option of winning unless they play something dumb and you got lucky with your own draw, which is... like... 0.00000001%.

    Bare in mind, I will say I got lucky myself and on the few times I've beaten both of those two I got Gerolt and Louis from Rowena and Titan from Landanel. The latest one thou still has 2 cards I'm missing, yet his random rule just makes me wanna puke and die before I attempt more rarely wins against them.

    As it stands right now, Random should either ignore the star restrictions for the player, or give those NPCs with forced Random to have a bigger pool of cards and affect them too so that the matches can be more even... or completely one sided too in some cases.
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    Last edited by BlueThunder; 03-01-2015 at 04:22 AM.

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    Lucke's Avatar
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    Lucke Arrayo
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    Hyperion
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Keep in mind, even powerful cards have at least one weak side. You gotta force them to expose their weak sides by forcing their strong sides against the wall or their own cards. With Same/Plus this can lead to crazy combos in your favor. If you know which cards they use (easy with Open/3 Open), put your own card in a spot that makes their card powerful forcing them to expose a weak spot.

    Swap is actually good because you have 1 good card and 4 crap cards while the opponent has 5 good cards. So unless they swap out your strongest card, typically you'll get 2 strong cards and they'll get your PoS card you can exploit. Also, the NPCs follow a strict AI. If you play one card, they'll always play the same card generally in the same spot so you can exploit their AI too.
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    Blue Thunder
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    snip.
    You can't fully exploit their AI. If you play enough times, you'll see that sometimes they will do something different, which ends up bringing something new to deal with. Surely they follow some patterns, but not always.

    The actual big problem as I stated are those few NPCs with their own set rule which is Random, and that fucks you up entirely because you cannot bait these guys to do something, because they have multiple cards to answer easily to what you will most likely get 99,99% of the time.
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    TheRogueX's Avatar
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    Arias Lightbearer
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Luvbunny View Post
    I actually won against Momodi and got her card lol. Did not take very long either, maybe around 10-12 games. But I went to Redit and read long threads (with pictures) to explain what those rules means. The in game explanation is not very clear. This is a first launch, I am sure they will tweak and adjust the AI of the NPCs in a few patches down the road. They probably go with the defensive to make sure that you don't "get everything" in one day and finish playing. Then again, most of AMERIKA!!!! do not read and have big problem with reading (or researching, or watching youtube video about mechanics) - I am not surprised they complaint the loudest. IF said content cannot be cleared within hours or day(s), those group will flood the forum and "voice their concerns".
    Your insults are pathetic and absolutely unnecessary. I am well aware of how the rules work, and since I am, I am well aware that the NPCs are allowed to ignore in whole or part some of the rules (Random being the most obvious) for their own benefit.
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    Lemuria Glitterhands
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    Ragnarok
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRogueX View Post
    Your insults are pathetic and absolutely unnecessary. I am well aware of how the rules work, and since I am, I am well aware that the NPCs are allowed to ignore in whole or part some of the rules (Random being the most obvious) for their own benefit.
    They don't really 'ignore' the random rule, but their decks only consist of a small number of cards so it affects them far less. When your opponent can use multiple 4 and 5-star cards, while we're restricted to one of either even at our zenith, it heavily unbalances the playing field in their favor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firepower View Post
    I've not come across any that are "difficult" just sometimes it gets tedious when random means, every card except your decent ones.
    You need to play more opponents. Most of them sport multiple rare cards, while we can't even use a second uncommon card. Not every opponent has the Plus or Reverse rules to help you out either, so it becomes a case of raw power takes all which heavily weights the match in their favour unless they do something stupid.

    The game shouldn't rely on your opponent making a silly mistake just to stand a chance of victory. It should be about strategy and planning. You have to play many of these opponents multiple times to stand a chance of getting the card you want, so it just gets frustrating to be stomped by a deck of unbeatable cards five times for every one lucky success.

    Funnily enough... all of these 'issues' have an easy solution. Add more opponents with common card rewards and low strength decks. They don't need to all be world champions you know.
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