The Future of THM

[Klive]

Except we already know that red mage is not on the cards for the initial job list.

Finally, someone else realizes that. White mage and Black Mage are the first two jobs coming out for casters.

I'll give you that CON could be Black or White, but THM is no way shape or form a Black Mage. Process of elimination makes White mage for THM and Black Mage for CON.

Black Mages are, in EVERY FF, an elemental based nuker. THM is not really a nuker, even THM nukes give a debuff, and no way elemental based.

Thaumaturge even defines as "Miracle Worker" (See Wikipedia). How much more connected to divine and healing do you guys want. I understand a lot of people argue the CON already has the heals, that does not mean the optional job for THM is not gaining those heals or other ones.

[Rubicon]

Sacrifice is not the same as Cure. White Mage's native spell is Cure. Why would you learn Cure on one class (CON) to use it properly/effectively on another (THM)? The problem is that this is the same for Black Mage. BLMs natively know elemental magic. So why would you learn Fire on one class to use it properly/effectively on another?

Either SE will move Cure/Curaga to THM or it does not become WHM. It's the same for BLM. Either SE moves the elemental magics over to THM or the class doesn't get BLM as a job. Look at THM's AOE. Why have Curaga if you can AOE cone-Cure. You could just Curaga yourself and it cone out to the group. That doesn't make sense... but wait, THMs can't use Curaga anyway. That doesn't sound like a WHM to me.

We know RDM is not on the table but it's more logical than BLM at the moment and light years away from WHM.

[Umo]

Except we already know that red mage is not on the cards for the initial job list.

Finally, someone else realizes that. White mage and Black Mage are the first two jobs coming out for casters.

We know RDM is not on the table

Could you please tell where does this come from? I missed official information regarding this matter, I guess.

PS: By the way, I'm not tellin' our job will be RDM.

[Klive]

Could you please tell where does this come from? I missed official information regarding this matter, I guess.

PS: By the way, I'm not tellin' our job will be RDM.

That information was released in a interview in a magazine that was in Japanese. You didn't miss it as much it really wasn't put forth in the English speaking community.

Here is the highlights of that interview.

Interview from "Famitsu Connect-On" magazine posted on the Official JP Forum.

All translations courtesy of Kristina_Farron from the Official Forum.

Highlights

1.18 will include a visible "Hate Meter" in addition to the adjustments to the Hate Algorythms.
Healing spells will be split into single target Cure and AOE Curega in 1.18.
Ifrit battle goes live 1.19.
The Materia system will be introduced in 1.19 as the main source of "uber" gear (ie better than NM drops).
The finalized job names so far are: Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragon Knight, and Bard.
In the future, they hope to add "Combined Jobs" with multi-class requirements (ie Conjurer + Thaumaturge = RDM).
A summer event is currently in the works (FFXIV needs moar bells).
The developers view the PS3 release as FFXIV's "last chance."

[Coglin]

Thus clearifying that only whm/blm are being released in the first round and combo jobs like rdm are to come later.

Establishing that RDM is off the table for the first round. Thus why everyone keep trying to detirmine why everyone keeps claiming THM as RDM when it clearly is not going to happen.

All those claiming whm fits lore for THM, I am curious as to what lore your making up. I have completed all the story for WHM, er, um, I mean CONJ, and THM and I fail to see how studiers of death and blood sacrafice for magical power gain says WHM to you? Please, explain that one too me. Especially sice CON lore is about studying nature and its elements to maintain the balance of life.

[Klive]

THM worship the twin gods of Nald'Thal.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Nald%27thal

Nald'thal is the overseer of transactions and the underworld, and god of commerce. He commands the element of Fire and is associated with the tenth moon of the Eorzean calendar. Nald'thal is the single manifestation of the deific twins Nald and Thal. He is most often depicted as a discerning merchant holding a balance.

Nald'thal the Traders is one of the Twelve. He is the patron deity of Ul'dah where two great halls, devoted to his two aspects, can be found in the eastern and western sections of the city.
Nald rules over the world of the living, and Thal keeps the realm of the dead.

The Thaumaturge, BASE CLASS, are the priests of DEATH. They are based in the Arrzaneth Ossuary, their temple of death and worship of Thal, in Ul'dal.

The Milvaneth Sacrarium is on the other side of Ul'dah. This is the temple of life and the worship of Nald.

The THM lore is death and spilling of blood, but that is only half of it. There is a whole other half of the faith devoted to LIFE. This whole other half of the faith would easily fill why White Mages are THM and also why THM BASE CLASS is the polar opposite to white mage. IT IS A DUAL SIDED FAITH.

[Coglin]

Yes, Duel sided faith. They use death and sacrafice to give life and health to others. At no point do I see this trumping conjurers who study the balance of nature in life.

[Alaltus]

That information was released in a interview in a magazine that was in Japanese. You didn't miss it as much it really wasn't put forth in the English speaking community.

Here is the highlights of that interview.

Interview from "Famitsu Connect-On" magazine posted on the Official JP Forum.

All translations courtesy of Kristina_Farron from the Official Forum.

Highlights

1.18 will include a visible "Hate Meter" in addition to the adjustments to the Hate Algorythms.
Healing spells will be split into single target Cure and AOE Curega in 1.18.
Ifrit battle goes live 1.19.
The Materia system will be introduced in 1.19 as the main source of "uber" gear (ie better than NM drops).
The finalized job names so far are: Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragon Knight, and Bard.
In the future, they hope to add "Combined Jobs" with multi-class requirements (ie Conjurer + Thaumaturge = RDM).
A summer event is currently in the works (FFXIV needs moar bells).
The developers view the PS3 release as FFXIV's "last chance."

Seriously in no way does what you misquoted say the jobs they mentioned are coming in the first round.

ジョブシステムで実装予定しているジョブは、決定しているものが、ナイト、モンク、白魔導士、黒魔導士、竜騎士、吟遊詩人（ジョブ名はすべて仮称）※たぶん、戦士を言い忘れたと思われる。
For job system the jobs that are planned and decided are Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragoon, Bard (Job names are temporary) *Probably forgot to say Warrior.

It says those are the jobs planned and decided that in no way confirms them as coming in the first round.

[Catapult]

THM worship the twin gods of Nald'Thal.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Nald%27thal

Nald'thal is the overseer of transactions and the underworld, and god of commerce. He commands the element of Fire and is associated with the tenth moon of the Eorzean calendar. Nald'thal is the single manifestation of the deific twins Nald and Thal. He is most often depicted as a discerning merchant holding a balance.

Nald'thal the Traders is one of the Twelve. He is the patron deity of Ul'dah where two great halls, devoted to his two aspects, can be found in the eastern and western sections of the city.
Nald rules over the world of the living, and Thal keeps the realm of the dead.

The Thaumaturge, BASE CLASS, are the priests of DEATH. They are based in the Arrzaneth Ossuary, their temple of death and worship of Thal, in Ul'dal.

The Milvaneth Sacrarium is on the other side of Ul'dah. This is the temple of life and the worship of Nald.

The THM lore is death and spilling of blood, but that is only half of it. There is a whole other half of the faith devoted to LIFE. This whole other half of the faith would easily fill why White Mages are THM and also why THM BASE CLASS is the polar opposite to white mage. IT IS A DUAL SIDED FAITH.

I couldn't put it better myself other than to add that the THM guild-quests explore only the death's aspect. And at no point do they explore the topics of healing people. Everything revolves around preparing for the inevitable afterlife and fulfilling contracts of retribution that involve killing things!

For information on Milvaneth, where life is worshiped, you have to actually go there and talk to the NPCs. There is also a sidequest or two on the matter. They trade in protective talismans and seek to safeguard life rather than allow it to be lost. Very white-magey.

In Milvaneth, they may be thaumaturges, but of a very different practice.
It's like comparing a surgeon to a physiotherapist. They're both medical practioners, but do very different things.

Even more so, it's like comparing a funeral director to a wedding planner.

[Umo]

Don't want to be rude, Klive, but I don't put my trust in that kind of translates; that's not "official information" for me. I was looking for a Yoshi / DEV / Moderator post.

Aside from all that have been said about the lore, maybe official FFXIV webpage could enlighten all of us:

Thaumaturge
Death is Only the Beginning

In the hands of a skilled practitioner, thaumaturgy can be a force of terrifying destruction.

Thaumaturges are unparalleled in their powers of destruction, eclipsing even the Disciples of War.

I don't see a WHM being a force of terrifying destruction...
I know, Conjurers have elemental spells, but take a closer look to recent changes (Curaga, Raise II, Rebirth...). For me it would be odd if they tie WHM job to THM, that's all.

PS: On a side note, I must honestly say that THM's outfit displayed at official webpage recalls me of WHM, while CON's outfit reminds me BLM's outfit. Grrrrr...