Summoner and scholar should be split up.

[Sequora]

i know I'm not the only person who feels this way but I really think that the development team should consider splitting up summoner and scholar. The response that yoshi P gave regarding summoner adjustments was that decreasing the cost of ruin and ruin 2 was the best way to help summoner without impacting scholar too much. It doesn't really seem fair that these are the only two jobs in the game where it's hard to balance because it may overpower the other job. They've abandoned dual jobs because they said that it's too difficult to balance. Thoughts?

[Zentsa]

I totally agree, that smn and sch have to be split.
But i think the main Problem with the Skillbalance between this two is that the most Skills are Arcanist ones and not Sch or Smn, and if you Reduce the Cost from Ruin it will make changes on both jobs (like now).

Dont know if they can only reduce the cost for arc and smn.

[Brianmj]

I totally agree, that smn and sch have to be split.
But i think the main Problem with the Skillbalance between this two is that the most Skills are Arcanist ones and not Sch or Smn, and if you Reduce the Cost from Ruin it will make changes on both jobs (like now).

Dont know if they can only reduce the cost for arc and smn.

It's not impossible. Sch can raise in PvP while Acn and Smn cannot. It's not beyond their ability to make adjustments to one job without affecting the other. The work involved though, I don't know.

[Sequora]

I personally think that the poisons make more seems on scholar. White Mage has offensive magic was poisons could remain sch Magic damage. Smn could remain a dot heavy job. They could get elemental dots as I feel it would make more sense as they control a portion of the elemental primals. Fester could be replaced with tri disaster. It would have the same animation as tri disaster but would have the same effect as the current fester. Tri disaster would be replaced with something else. More attention should be placed on they pet. I want more abilities like enkindle.

[Zentsa]

It's not impossible. Sch can raise in PvP while Acn and Smn cannot. It's not beyond their ability to make adjustments to one job without affecting the other. The work involved though, I don't know.

You say it "Scholar can Raise, arc and smn not" so its only a Scholar skill.
Ruin and ruinra ar arc skills so it bother both jobs.

[Zentsa]

To change the Jobskills from sch and smn will dont make problems.
But to change the arcanistskills which are the most of the skills its not so easy i think.
Maybe they must combinied Jobscrystall with skills to only change the skill for one of the jobs.

Sorry if there is some bad grammar inside.

[Brianmj]

People,

takes off glasses

this thread was fine with its original intent, separate Scholar and Summoner so it would be easy to buff one without affecting the other. But the veil has been lifted, and it turned out to be another redesign thread. What we have at this juncture in time is the current incarnation of Summoner for the Final Fantasy series. It's a dot casting job with a ranged AoE bind. It's an Arcanist with Fester. It's a WoW Warlock. It's something that quite a few of us enjoy playing it as it is now. You can't bastardize it into whatever you concoct because you're not happy with it.

[Brianmj]

You say it "Scholar can Raise, arc and smn not" so its only a Scholar skill.
Ruin and ruinra ar arc skills so it bother both jobs.

Raise is an Arcanist skill. Scholar and Summoner can use it. In PvP it's disabled for Arcanist and Summoner because during the time when Wolves' Den was the only type of PvP, a good deal of the community felt Summoner was overpowered, and petitioned for a nerf. Square obliged with the class and job being unable to raise among other things.

[Sequora]

People,

takes off glasses

this thread was fine with its original intent, separate Scholar and Summoner so it would be easy to buff one without affecting the other. But the veil has been lifted, and it turned out to be another redesign thread. What we have at this juncture in time is current incarnation of Summoner for the Final Fantasy series. It's a dot casting job with a ranged AoE bind. It's an Arcanist with Fester. It's a WoW Warlock. It's something that quite a few of us enjoy playing it as it is now. You can't bastardize it into whatever you concoct because you're not happy with it.

How else are you going to separate the two? Each of them would need its own skills. The changes I mentioned were mostly aesthetic. I love summoner. I think the aesthetics are really bland. I'm fine with it being a dot class with a pet. I just want more focus on the pet.

[IceSpear]

I do agree that they need to be separated in some way. I was thinking keep Arcanist then depending what job crystal they have equipped change the power of moves, mp costs ect.