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    Magmarink Dragregory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monos View Post
    Some people asking SE to make it even more easy is not right! Just try to imagine people asking the makers of your favorite TV series or movie to make the episodes or the movie shorter because they have no time or patience to watch the whole series, or the movie! Or dumb the whole series or movie down to their level so they can understand it... You would be pissed to to hear such nonsense! So please I ask EVERY NO SKILL
    This is really ridiculous analogy and very far from the truth..
    Most of general audience movies are made to fit around 90mins so it can reach younger audience.. Compared to serious themed movies which could reach 120-180mins timespan..
    And tv series which isnt based on demand while prolonging plot without proper ending will be canceled because the demand is low..

    Inb4-> something is made based on the demand of its consumer..
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    Last edited by lvlagmarink; 02-22-2015 at 07:23 PM. Reason: Fixing typo

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    Why are you bringing this up right now, when SE have already revealed that Alexander will have a normal and hard mode?

    The Alexander normal mode, will be like Coil with Echo, which makes it more beatable for the more casual (medium-core) players, while the hard mode is going to be even harder than the current Coil...

    In other words, you will get your harder content, while not pissing off more casual players.

    Also, I've seen a ton of really good players who haven't beat T13 yet... In fact, very few have beat it. So how is it too easy exactly?

    The game isn't made for hardcore players... They want to keep them, hence why they have planned the 2 difficulty raid in 3.0, but they will always prioritize the casual - medium-core players.

    "Video Games are for people who have the time to play and put effort in advanceing"
    Are you having a laugh? Most video games are short and easy as hell... It's probably the most casual thing around right now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craiger View Post
    "Video Games are for people who have the time to play and put effort in advanceing"
    Are you having a laugh? Most video games are short and easy as hell... It's probably the most casual thing around right now...
    This is true. I've been doing game development for simple browser games right now and, even with something as simple as this, any time anything in the last game I made required the player to use a little common sense and 'think' about something it turned into a forum whine-a-thon and I was forced to rework the concept to make it simpler. It's actually a very serious issue in game development right now where players need everything handed to them because they seem to be eager in maxing out a game ASAP so they can move on to the next game instead of wanting a game they can work to achieve the goal. This does NOT apply to every gamer out there and we still had gamers who told these people to stfu but the issue is that most of the big bucks come from the instant gratification casuals who don't believe in effort. Why else would most video games be short and easy as hell?

    Trying to deliver a high quality product while still meeting the demands of these people is hugely challenging. SE is trying to meet and satisfy both kinds of gamers and I feel they are doing a really good job as I am satisfied with the current system. There's one thing I give SE credit for is that they didn't go down the path of just trying to appease one group and managed to successfully make a game that appeases both groups... sorta. It still has the issue of lazy gamers who don't want to put forth effort into learning anything joining and ruining our party finder groups with their terribleness but it's something you can solve by making a linkshell or joining a linkshell and meeting people who are good at playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craiger View Post
    The Alexander normal mode, will be like Coil with Echo, which makes it more beatable for the more casual (medium-core) players, while the hard mode is going to be even harder than the current Coil...

    The game isn't made for hardcore players... They want to keep them, hence why they have planned the 2 difficulty raid in 3.0, but they will always prioritize the casual - medium-core players.
    If you do coil with echo you're a medium core player? Is that what people who only get to do coil when echo is implemented tell themselves these days?
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    Typically, in MMOs, there is a higher percentage of players that identify as "casual" than "hardcore". This is why games of this nature tend to lean more towards the "casual" side. If something like 70% of a business' income is from a certain market, they are certainly going to listen to them more than people from the 30% market.
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    The issue is that 70% market would be just as happy spending more time slowly consuming that difficult content, as the 30% would be consuming it quickly. Hardcore and Casual are not skill levels, they are rates of consumption, denoted by frequency of play. You can be a hardcore scrub, wiping to T10 6+ hours a day, and take it in a week, or you could be a skilled casual that takes it in 6 hours, spread out over a month.

    "Too hard" is a whiny, whingey noise you hear far too often, a plea for a universal reduction in difficulty. When content has been cleared by others, you should strive to reach that level, not beg for it to be lowered to yours.
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    SE please make the story easier to experience
    Friend to the dawn, hear my plea. Tidings most ominous arrive from Gridania─a primal walketh the Shroud. Those who have borne the eldritch spirit witness─and returned to tell the tale─avow that ne'er before have they seen its like. The Gods' Quiver doth investigate as we speak, and meseems Bowlord Lewin would welcome a capable adventurer's helping hand. Pray hie thee to the Seat of the First Bow and shine thy light upon the matter.
    normal people can't understand this nonsense, we're not all hardcore English majors, we shouldn't have to look up guides on Merriam-Webster made by elitist English majors on how to understand the game. Please use http://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/Main_Page in the future thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrn View Post
    SE please make the story easier to experience

    Friend to the dawn, hear my plea. Tidings most ominous arrive from Gridania─a primal walketh the Shroud. Those who have borne the eldritch spirit witness─and returned to tell the tale─avow that ne'er before have they seen its like. The Gods' Quiver doth investigate as we speak, and meseems Bowlord Lewin would welcome a capable adventurer's helping hand. Pray hie thee to the Seat of the First Bow and shine thy light upon the matter.

    normal people can't understand this nonsense, we're not all hardcore English majors, we shouldn't have to look up guides on Merriam-Webster made by elitist English majors on how to understand the game, please use http://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/Main_Page in the future thanks.
    The fact this is even a complaint disappoints me and I already lacked faith in humanity. I'm not an English major either but I still understand it...

    It literally translates to: "Yo dawg, a primal's all up in our hood. Never thought this homie would be all up in our shit like this but we sent out our boys to check it out and you're going with them. Bring the light 'n shit."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah View Post
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    I see I wasn't laying it on thick enough :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah View Post
    The fact this is even a complaint disappoints me and I already lacked faith in humanity. I'm not an English major either but I still understand it...

    It literally translates to: "Yo dawg, a primal's all up in our hood. Never thought this homie would be all up in our shit like this but we sent out our boys to check it out and you're going with them. Bring the light 'n shit."
    lol, this made me laugh.
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