Please stop asking SE to make FFXIV more easy!

[RiceisNice]

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It's not so much out of sync with the rewards, but in sync with the other turns after they've been nerfed with echo. T5 and T9 aren't exactly the sort of fights that become "easier" with overgearing/echo because dive bombs and twisters will kill you regardless of how much hp you have. Same with titan (and it goes a little hand in hand with latency).

Though considering the ilvl requirement of urth's fount, I do agree that the dps check is extremely unforgiving if everyone wasn't overgeared for it.

[Kyuuen]

WOW hasn't done a sweeping nerf to a raid since the first tier in Cataclysm, after that they used a echo style nerf then stopped it altogether after dragonsoul, they relied on gear upgrading to do this and left the encounters in tact with no % modifiers yet plenty people still raid the hard modes, the biggest difference is I find there is more resources and more willing players to use the resources to improve their ability in raiding content.
Theres also more players that are willing and hunt for groups that are recruiting or make their own groups.

Mist Raids: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/06/a...ith-patch-5-2/

And the Echo like buff continued on all the way through to Siege of Orgrimmar, dunno if it's still active for live content (Warlords).

[Apricoth]

I think when folks complain about how hard content is (for example, T5) and ask for the extra help, they have to understand that no amount of Echo will take the place of knowing the fight and acting accordingly. This is also dependent on others knowing the fight and doing what they are suppose to be doing. The hard aspects are due to the multiple variables encased in the human player and when you have 6 human players trying to follow the rules of the mechanic heavy fight, lots of things can go wrong and Echo cannot deflect all of those mistakes. It is quite difficult to find players that know what they are doing, that can adapt and what is needed to reach the winning end. So for some individuals that sit here saying that they do not understand why so many people have not beat T5 or T9 cannot forget the success of the fight is dependent on everyone and if more than one person doesn't have their A Game Face on, it's game over. Those that know what they are doing are being shafted and held back from the story portion of the content and they are quite tired of it. They don't have the time to sink into the hardcore portion of the raid content but wish to enjoy the story - personally, I see no issue with SE implementing a story-mode encounter. The story-mode would have none of the uber loot. Heck, they already have this implemented with the primals (regular mode for the story, than Extreme mode just because shiz and gigglez and lootz) - there is nothing stopping SE from applying it to Coil and any other content that falls into that raid-chasm.

[Zohar_Lahar]

There is nothing hard about T5/T9 with the amount of echo they give now. If someone doesn't move from twister on T5 when they see twintania casting twister odds are they will die on Shiva EX too. From what i seen on T5 is that there are a lot of dps who don't use focus target and die to the twister that comes out while one of the adds is out. With some more effort these fights will be easy.

So T9 will be "easy" with more effort? As in easy like Shiva Extreme? They both award i115 weapons after all.

[Havenchild]

So T9 will be "easy" with more effort? As in easy like Shiva Extreme? They both award i115 weapons after all.

Shiva is also content that came quite some patches after second coil first came out. Not to mention it was not intended to be balanced in relation to the hardcore players capable of beating T9.

Shiva EX, however is a very good example for the OP's argument. Many people were frustrated with Ramuh's EX fight, and ultimately it turned many away from it. Then Shiva EX came out and it's just hilariously easy to the point many people on both sides of the easy /hard argument were turned off. Titan EX shouldn't be balanced to the gearing of future primals/trials simply because people still struggle with it. Garuda / Ifrit / Titan were all relatively easy fights by the time Levi came out, and really the only difficulty of Titan EX is player error with the inability to dodge. If you're capable of actually dodging? Titan EX is a cakewalk.

Also like Rice stated, the difficulty of coil content was balanced against other coils available at the time. They never chose to balance the coil gear against the player skills outside of coil because the less skilled players or those who didn't care to progress in them tended to stay away from it anyway.

[VargasVermillion]

Ramuh wasn't that hard, just required a little communication and awareness.

[Zohar_Lahar]

They locked a major story arc behind Twintania and Nael deus Darnus though. Bahamut's story is significant as the primal who resulted in a Realm Reborn, and as a Tenryu in the upcoming Heavensward. Nothing in the Main Scenario or Crystal Tower was gated behind comparable enemies.

And even putting the story aside, this thread and elsewhere has demonstrated harassment of players who did not or are unable to pass T5/T9. Those fights don't seem to be very fun (to me), and I was disappointed when Patch 2.41 did not nerf the mechanics to less punishing extents. I'm not looking forward to Alexander for these reasons, as it will likely create the same toxic atmosphere that Coils is doing.

[kyuven]

They locked a major story arc behind Twintania and Nael deus Darnus though. Bahamut's story is significant as the primal who resulted in a Realm Reborn, and as a Tenryu in the upcoming Heavensward. Nothing in the Main Scenario or Crystal Tower was gated behind comparable enemies.

And they realized that was a mistake, and plotted out Alexander having a Story and Hard mode to compensate for the fact that the Coil story was really, really interesting.
t5, 9, and 13 won't be nerfed until MAYBE 3.0 (not that it'll need to be. a lvl 60 in i130 gear will probably be able to completely shrug off a Divebomb.), but going forward new story content won't be gated the same way.

[Darkobra]

Go home, gamer boy.

Far more of a gamer than you. I have every single copy of every single Final Fantasy. Even the software copies on Steam and PSN so I don't wear away the discs and cartridges playing them. I have the physical copies of all the music I could get my hands on and a Black Mages album signed by Nobuo Uematsu. I'd tell you about my console collection but your first one was a PS2 so you'd not even KNOW half the names.

If you think this game is challenging, you've never really played a game. When you get yourself a job you should invest in the old school games.

[Moqi]

Far more of a gamer than you. I have every single copy of every single Final Fantasy. Even the software copies on Steam and PSN so I don't wear away the discs and cartridges playing them. I have the physical copies of all the music I could get my hands on and a Black Mages album signed by Nobuo Uematsu. I'd tell you about my console collection but your first one was a PS2 so you'd not even KNOW half the names.

If you think this game is challenging, you've never really played a game. When you get yourself a job you should invest in the old school games.

Please be a troll. This is so sad.