Dear All Bards,

[Ilitsa]

Am bard, can confirm, give 0 care about WoD in particular, I'm there for my bard body, all I will do is spam straight shot and heavy shot until second boss and then leave when my body doesn't drop.

It's crap mindsets like this that piss me off. It's people like this that make me wish that you lost any loot you rolled on and won if abandoning duty prior to completion.

[Accolade]

This issue has annoyed me for so long.

I HATE bards that play it as a pure dps.
Dont get me wrong, brd can kick out some good dps and every little helps.
I often ask brds in wod why they have not spent an mp for the entire run, and they sometimes reply "Cus it effects my dps, dont be stupid".

If you want to top the dps charts and not sing please play mnk/drg/nin.
2-3 (decent)casters in your party, with foe will do much more dmg than a brd ever will, increasing overall dps and faster clears.
Focusing on your personal dps is very selfish, and you are slowing down the run - just please leave.

I have had a brd brag he did more dps than me (also on brd), yet I was keeping up foe/ballad/peon while he never sang anything... I think some brds just dont get it.
Brd is support role, please support your team mates, and not your ego.

I cannot wait for Machinist, I hope all the non-song brds will play that instead, assuming its a mobile range pure dps

[Snugglebutt]

Playing Foes in WoD...Really? WoD is an extremely easy place to clear, if have plenty of casters playing Foes might clear the place a few minutes quicker but that's about all really. It is not needed, it is not required and you will clear it with or without in my experience so quit whining about not clearing it a few minutes sooner or downing that boss a minute quicker.

If you need it then you can have it but if you do not then quit whining. It is not like high end coils where having such could make or break a training group attempt. Foes serves one purpose which is to help clear quicker, MP regen is more important often because it can save a raid if have bad healers or bad group getting themselves killed a lot, so I am more willing to play MP regen than Foes in WoD but even then it is VERY rare that even that is needed in WoD.

[Aerowaffle]

As a bard, I tend to use my songs as a "oh shit, someone is almost out of resources" button over using foe. If the healer is < 50% mp, time to help out the healer. If I'm almost out of TP, I make the assumption that some of the other TP using classes are probably at least getting low, so it's time to use peon.

Having the magic classes deal more damage is great and all, but if I don't have the mana available to keep up the other two songs when needed, it's a larger problem. Healer runs out of mana? People are going to start dying. Classes run out of TP? Their dps plummets.

[Viridiana]

As a bard, I tend to use my songs as a "oh shit, someone is almost out of resources" button over using foe. If the healer is < 50% mp, time to help out the healer. If I'm almost out of TP, I make the assumption that some of the other TP using classes are probably at least getting low, so it's time to use peon.

Having the magic classes deal more damage is great and all, but if I don't have the mana available to keep up the other two songs when needed, it's a larger problem. Healer runs out of mana? People are going to start dying. Classes run out of TP? Their dps plummets.

That's no excuse to not open with Foe. If your healer or melee are running out of resources within the 2 minutes or so it takes to completely MP drain and restore, then something is extremely wrong.

[Aerowaffle]

That's no excuse to not open with Foe. If your healer or melee are running out of resources within the 2 minutes or so it takes to completely MP drain and restore, then something is extremely wrong.

Oh I agree. But once it hits the middle of the fight, I never consider using Foe. Because in my opinion, keeping the resources ready to resupply other players in an emergency trumps making the fight a little faster.

[Viridiana]

Oh I agree. But once it hits the middle of the fight, I never consider using Foe. Because in my opinion, keeping the resources ready to resupply other players in an emergency trumps making the fight a little faster.

Eh. . .honestly, if you can pop an ether, you can keep your healers afloat in most circumstances.

[Mugiawara]

Oh I agree. But once it hits the middle of the fight, I never consider using Foe. Because in my opinion, keeping the resources ready to resupply other players in an emergency trumps making the fight a little faster.

If your team is doing well for most part of the run, you could pop Foe's. Might as well, right?
You make a point though. The only ones that truly need MP is the WHM's though so...but
that's when either they're being silly or everythings going to hell lol.

I do like others, I pop Foe's and BV then see what happens later on and decide what I should sing.
Can't sing just for the fun of it sinces it takes my damage too. xD!

[Waeksyn]

Doe Foe affect performance of other alliances in a 24 man raid? I know that it is a mob debuff - you can see the icon on the mob's status bar. However, I've NEVER seen that icon on a boss unless I've been the one singing Foe or I know another bard in my alliance has done it. The same thing would apply for DRG's Disembowel debuff.

[Warlyx]

Doe Foe affect performance of other alliances in a 24 man raid? I know that it is a mob debuff - you can see the icon on the mob's status bar. However, I've NEVER seen that icon on a boss unless I've been the one singing Foe or I know another bard in my alliance has done it. The same thing would apply for DRG's Disembowel debuff.

u probably have the option to ONLY see your own debuffs , i use focus target to see what debuffs are applied.

But in WoD thats hard with looots of debuffs and focus windows only showing a few, so if i go bard , i usually start foe requiem+ battle voice.on the beggining after that meh...

I love that ppl use WoD as example , lol a brd dont singing is the least of your problems in WoD , is a trainwreck of ppl playing badly because they dont care or dont know any better.