Progression locks are bad

[Callinon]

Going forward I'd really like to not see raids locked behind other raids.

WTF am I talking about? Well I played at launch (starting in beta) but wasn't interested in doing Coil or EX primals at the time. Took a break for a while, came back in 2.3.

Now I'd really like to do Coil. I'd really like to do EX primals. But I can't... why can't I?

Because I haven't done them already.

Seriously.. take a look at your servers' party finders and count the number of groups for things like T5 or Garuda EX that aren't "Make sure you've done the fight at least 20 times before now, if we see a soldiery bonus we're burning your house down."

Now, quite recently I've found an FC that's willing to help me get the clears I need to progress, but this is a situation that never should have arisen to begin with.

NB: I realized that my exact problem wasn't spelled out here and thought I should fix that, so here it is:

Nobody cares about T5 anymore. It doesn't drop interesting loot. It isn't a PF-friendly fight. The only reason to do it is because it locks T6-9 behind it. This is silly. There's no reason for it to do that.

If Alexander is broken up into chunks the way Coil has been, please make all of them available at once upon release. Don't require progression through earlier parts to do later parts. Let me worry about putting the story together myself. Me experiencing the story in the proper sequence is less important than me being able to do the content AT ALL.

[ZhycranaDranix]

Now, quite recently I've found an FC that's willing to help me get the clears I need to progress, but this is a situation that never should have arisen to begin with.

This was a situation that was inevitable to begin with.

Here you have it ....Turn 5 the first ''EXTREMELY DIFFICULT'' content in your game to date ( upon release) tough at its peak with out a doubt Mr. Happy has over 300-400K views to attest to this along with the numerous other guides to down this beast.

Months go by now you release this ScOB that speaks volumes within itself that hey if you cant down T5 and get those mechanics right then hey no sense in even attempting to go the next stage ,,,its like the equivalent of going

to the indigo plato and all you've done were 4/8 badges , you're not readyyyyy. I like the gated locks and primals are locked for a reason as in the mechanics get tougher ....

Coil mechanics literally build on eachother DBs come back in T9 and T13 yes implemented differently but if you can't handle them at their easiest then why even go for the more difficult content when serious players are already in .....If you're serious watch a guide or two , wipe a million times like the rest of us and then progress.

[ShaneDawn]

T5 is really easy with the echo and gear though. The fight is over in a few minutes.

The only thing killing overgeared players are Divebombs, Twisters and bad positioning for Dreadknights. As long as ppl watch the guide it shouldn't be a problem.. Also make it solo tank PLD to burn it faster.

[Callinon]

Once again, it's not that I'M incapable of doing the encounter. It's that the encounter isn't friendly to pick up groups. The Echo doesn't help in the slightest when you're talking about instant death mechanics. And again too, I'm not arguing that the encounter should be easier. I'm fine with it being hard. What I'm not fine with is having new raids locked behind it.

I'd have been fine with missing out on my chance to do T5 when it was current if I could have just started working on second coil or final coil when they were released and I was taking the game seriously.

[Edellis]

Once again, it's not that I'M incapable of doing the encounter. It's that the encounter isn't friendly to pick up groups.

This doesn't make much sense. It's not like this situation is going to get any easier when you get to Second Coil. Groups only become harder to find, and you're still gonna get greeners or people who can't dodge or follow instructions or quit after 2 wipes when you start T6. Don't even get me started on T9.

You might as well get used to it. Get one or two players you're cool with, friend them, and build parties with them to eliminate the amount of potential feeders you get in any given party.

[technole]

You might as well get used to it. Get one or two players you're cool with, friend them, and build parties with them to eliminate the amount of potential feeders you get in any given party.

Yep, the OP is only thinking of locking content behind T5 now. Wait until he comes back for T9 with the same story.

The best solution is start getting a group together, whether it's a LS or just a close set of friends that are near the same skill level to work on the content regularly, use the same group for SCoB as well because you are going to need coordination several times again.

As for EX Primals, they already were loosened a bit by not locking Leviathan and beyond behind The Primal Focus quest.

[Eloah]

Okay, I am posting to assure the OP that some people understand what he means. He would like to be able to try the locked content since, the previous content is no longer relevant. For everyone who, I'm assuming, is having a difficult time understanding it, think of it this way. When Coil was first released, you had to progress through, T1-T4, in order, before gaining access to T5. But now, since First Coil is no longer relevant, and I'm assuming the same for Second Coil, T1-T5, and I guess T6-T9, can be done in any order, but only T5 and T9 need to be beaten to unlock the next set of turns.

While I admit it is frustrating, something like Coil or the Crystal Tower being "locked" makes a little sense, however, having the primals locked behind one another is another story. If the content is linked together in some way, like story, then having certain portions locked makes some sense to me. But if the content is stand alone, like the primal fights, they should all be accessible individually.

[KisaiTenshi]

T5 is really easy with the echo and gear though. The fight is over in a few minutes.

The only thing killing overgeared players are Divebombs, Twisters and bad positioning for Dreadknights. As long as ppl watch the guide it shouldn't be a problem.. Also make it solo tank PLD to burn it faster.

Watching a guide before doing the dungeon is no fun (I have yet to do Coil because I didn't have time for it at launch and didn't have the gear for it after I came back like the OP.) But I don't want to be carried through it either, so it's like... hmm do I wait for a PUG group and hope for people who aren't trolls? For the sake of not having people whine I'll skim over a guide to know how many phases the boss has. Games aren't meant to be played with walkthroughs/guides. You use them only after failing to find your own solution.

You learn more from other players saying how they want to tackle the monsters/boss. People are still failing to use the the Rogue/Ninja "Hide" to trigger things/get chests and avoid dungeon trash.

[randysquirrel]

Watching a guide before doing the dungeon is no fun (I have yet to do Coil because I didn't have time for it at launch and didn't have the gear for it after I came back like the OP.) But I don't want to be carried through it either, so it's like... hmm do I wait for a PUG group and hope for people who aren't trolls? For the sake of not having people whine I'll skim over a guide to know how many phases the boss has. Games aren't meant to be played with walkthroughs/guides. You use them only after failing to find your own solution.

You learn more from other players saying how they want to tackle the monsters/boss. People are still failing to use the the Rogue/Ninja "Hide" to trigger things/get chests and avoid dungeon trash.

No-one is required to look at a guide before going in.

And no-one is required not to back out immediately and replace you, when you go in without the first idea of what you're doing and die walking by into the wall