The Unspoken Rudeness

[Elusana_Celah]

I notice there is a significant amount of people who will join clear/farm parties for difficult content such as T9 who have absolutely no idea what they are doing. They then accuse you of being elitist / rude to them when you are like, "Why are you in a clear/farm party if you don't know what you're doing?"

I know people need to learn but when I learn content I create practice parties or join any existing practice parties and that is really what I did. I chugged away at those groups judgement free until I felt really comfortable and shot for my clear afterwards.

There is content in this game that you really can't just 'join' and 'get it' right away and perform well. Some people can learn fast while others need a lot of tries but until you feel comfortable that you can pull your own weight, why are you joining farms/clears?

I usually join practice parties for stuff I'm good at in order to help people out. I really love helping people learn things it's one of my passions to be a community player but you have to understand that I also need a break from wiping so when I want to just go win with a group of people who also know how to win in order to relieve stress or just get some loot from a boss that I dedicated a lot of time to learning, I can't because I must continue to be held back by people who have not the faintest idea what they are doing.

It's not fair to me or other people who know the content. We did our time wiping, let us band together and win instead. If something says clear/farm and you are not 100% confident in your abilities that you can clear it, don't join out of respect. I'm not talking about simple human errors that people make. I hate people who ragequit out cuz someone made an honest mistake. But when I make a mistake I own up to it right away to reassure the party it won't happen again and I understand what I did wrong. If I'm having an off day I will leave out of respect for them.

I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on this but I feel that this is an epidemic that is plaguing my server.

Some replies I'm not interested in hearing that I know people will make, "This is why I run things with people I know." or "This is why I have my static." Yeah I get it. I still don't know enough people who are good players AND have good attitudes that I can tolerate being around to run stuff together. Good for you that you have connections to get stuff done. It doesn't change the reason for my post and is entirely irrelevant as it does not address the concerns stated here and acts as a means to excuse this behavior.

[mosaicex]

Oh, this thread again.

Well, you can fix the game, but good luck trying to fix people.

[KaedrianLiang]

/lumberjack

The solution is to find 7 other people you trust.

[Elusana_Celah]

The solution is to find 7 other people you trust.

I have people I can play with the issue is that they aren't all at my beck and call and we all have our own time differences and real lives that make it so we can't always do things together. I mean it could be a good week before we can get together. I've been trying to find people who match my own times and are more active but it's not as simple as you think. First of all we have to have personalities that get along well or we'll just be down each other's throats, second of all they have to want to succeed and have the skills to do so. It's a daunting process and I'm trying the best I can but the initial point of my post is how sad it is that this "Carry me I don't want to put any effort into learning lol" attitude is so overwhelming that is permeates our culture like a stink cloud.

[KaedrianLiang]

I have people I can play with the issue is that they aren't all at my beck and call and we all have our own time differences and real lives that make it so we can't always do things together. I mean it could be a good week before we can get together. I've been trying to find people who match my own times and are more active but it's not as simple as you think. First of all we have to have personalities that get along well or we'll just be down each other's throats, second of all they have to want to succeed and have the skills to do so. It's a daunting process and I'm trying the best I can but the initial point of my post is how sad it is that this "Carry me I don't want to put any effort into learning lol" attitude is so overwhelming that is permeates our culture like a stink cloud.

Ok.

the solution is to find 7 other people you trust that are online with a common interest.

[myahele]

Anyways, the best solution I can think of for weeding those people out that I see used is to say in the PF that 1 or 2 death will result in their vote kick. Must have cleared previously or be kicked. No tome bonus, Etc. Make it known that deaths aren't tolerated and only serious people need to apply.

Probably more trouble than it's worth but you can try to check their achivements. Eitherway, just blist those people

[Radacci]

if you wanna win, you need to kick ppl, or craft your own HQ PT
i dont really like kicking ppl, cause i wanna give everyone a chance, and it makes me feel bad; but after so many wipes, you get to the point where you've just had enough of all the bs.
sometimes you need to write that elitist prick PF text, to keep away the wrong crowd...except that some ppl dont seem to even read, just join.so then you kick-replace.
it sux, but it's the only way to get it done, unless you got a dedicated static.
or look for a raid LS; they usually kick sucky ppl, and you got a list of candidates who can clear it.

[Frozenbear]

This is the worst kind of player rudeness I have encountered in the game so far. If you are one of these people, you are an absolutely terrible human being. when i encounter someone who clearly doesn't know the fight, we back out and kick them, no discussion, no arguing or trolling, just quickly remove them and back in pf we go. if i am running a clear "TS REQ" is the first phrase in the comments yet somehow 4/8 people that join do not have team speak. The things these people say as they are being kicked... it's surreal.
you do not need a group of 7 perma - runners although having some perma members does help alot. I always have a few perma members that i gleaned from my fc, but I end up kicking two or three people from every clear party because of no teamspeak or no clue or no manners....
dear SE playerbase trolls to stronk please nerf ty <3

[Intaki]

If you absolutely need teamspeak to farm content that is cleared regularly in Duty Finder you probably have bigger problems than newbies sneaking into your runs.

[Dererk]

You don't really need voice for anything in here as long as people pay attention but tunnel vision dose happen. Some times it can make things worse. And as for the people who sneak into clearers only party's ya rude at lest ask if you can join or if it's a certain experience required still ask then walk away when they said no.

You an alt who's main dose have a clear? NOPE GO AWAY can't tell if it's true or not.