You want me to do WHAT? Watch a VIDEO of the fight first?!

[Snootles]

If the PF states 'must have seen video' then don't join if you haven't. You should only join a PF if you meet the requirements or message the PF starter if you don't to work it out. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.

That being said, when I create a learning party or join one, I'll always give a short run down of the fight that starts with "Don't die, avoid death and don't get killed."
For the more complex patterns where a lot more is happening, yeah it might be easier to have seen a video. Doesn't necessarily mean people will understand it.
A clear and concise (which is what most videos lack) short run down of what to look out for, plus giving it one go just to experience the fight will help me more than watching a video. It's just how you process info in your noggin'.

I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. Confucius

[kyuven]

A clear and concise (which is what most videos lack) short run down of what to look out for, plus giving it one go just to experience the fight will help me more than watching a video.

It also depends on the video. Some videos explain a 10 minute fight with a 30 minute explanation, while others just tank 10 to do so.

[DragonSlayer45]

I will go through it blind. However, if I feel like I don't fully understand a mechanic even after practicing it, then I will watch a video or read a guide on that mechanic/phase.

Learning through experience is a thing, and personally, I find it more fun to do it that way. As long as I'm not holding my group back in any way, who cares how I learn the fight?

[AskaRay]

I don't really 'watch videos' or read guides for normal dungeons and 24-man.
I will, however, read a guide for coil or ex primals, because usually those tactics are extremely complicated to expect someone to type up in chat...

Though, about videos. I can't learn from them. I can watch one a million times and not get what to do. That's why it always bothers me when someone tells me to 'watch a video'.... no thanks. Especially for like, a dungeon. There's maybe two, three mechanics per boss fight. I don't need to take fifty thousand minutes to minimize my game on my crap computer, pull up the internet browser and read something when it could take you two minutes to tell me.

Then again, I personally learn best while doing. Videos really do nothing for me.

[Themis]

I will go through it blind. However, if I feel like I don't understand a mechanic fully even after practicing it, then I will watch a video or read a guide on that mechanic/phase.

Learning through experience is a thing, and personally, I find it more fun to do it that way. As long as I'm not holding my group back in any way, who cares how I learn the fight?

This is generally how I play, too. Have a go first, then get some better understanding now that I have some context to put things into.

When it comes to DF, there should be no expectations on any other player you are grouped with.

If you want people who do know the fight or who have seen videos/read guides first, then make a PF group stating that.

Likewise, if you want a group who all want to see the fight for themselves and work together on pushing through it, then make a PF group stating that.

PF is for setting up expectations and requirements. DF is a lucky bag.

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It also depends on the video. Some videos explain a 10 minute fight with a 30 minute explanation, while others just tank 10 to do so.

That's pretty much the difference between something like Mr Happy or MTQcapture.

MTQcapture: The boss uses this move at this time, watch out for this and that, healers and tanks be prepared for this, and dps be prepared for that.

Mr Happy: The boss like and subscribe! herp uses this derp move like and subscribe! at this wumbo time, watch womp womp out like and subscribe! for this and that, like and subscribe! healers doge and tanks like and subscribe! be hadouken! prepared for like and subscribe! this, nyancat and like and subscribe! dps be yolo prepared for like and subscribe! that.

[DracotheDragon]

when it comes to blind runs i find it fun , i only go off the here says i have herd, did all the new experts blind, chrysalis blind, WOD blind, st blind, LOTA blind XD titan ex blind (that was fun) T5 blind T9 blind (at first o3o)
the amount of time i was muted on my FC's mumble when laughing to hard when doing things blind is TOO DAMN HIGH!

yes it is a MMO RPG but if your going blind you need to be a fast learner, so after one wipe thats it you know the fight, and be on your toes it really dose make the fight exciting, in my own personal opinion watching a video only works for T10 plus, but, truly going blind is the whole fun single player or multiplayer this is a game, and gas need some surprises to throw at you

[Werhusky]

when it comes to blind runs i find it fun , i only go off the here says i have herd, did all the new experts blind, chrysalis blind, WOD blind, st blind, LOTA blind XD titan ex blind (that was fun) T5 blind T9 blind (at first o3o)
the amount of time i was muted on my FC's mumble when laughing to hard when doing things blind is TOO DAMN HIGH!

yes it is a MMO RPG but if your going blind you need to be a fast learner, so after one wipe thats it you know the fight, and be on your toes it really dose make the fight exciting, in my own personal opinion watching a video only works for T10 plus, but, truly going blind is the whole fun single player or multiplayer this is a game, and gas need some surprises to throw at you

Blind learning is great ^-^ We do it for T10 + you mention here as video would help... well we after 2 sessions at second set adds (no caster so gotta figure out how we burn best :P) and we watch vid/read up on those phases we feel to understand...We actually missed only 1 point and that is where the ominous tankswap happens (seen now in guide and someone mentioned it so we will try it but still) XD

[dice137]

Oh. It's this topic again.

[CYoung187]

If you are watching a video for any 4 or 24 man content then you are taking this wayyy to seriously. I reluctantly watch videos for ex primals and coil because it is necessary to not tear a group apart, but I hate the idea of it. The needing a guide for content just seems cheap and I can 100% see why people would be opposed to it, but that is the nature of this game unless you are after world firsts. Whats gets me is when people go into later stages of coil blind and expect to be catered to. There is no way they got through t5-9 blind, do you really expect things are going to change in later stages?