Bring back CROWD CONTROL!

[SarcasmMisser]

yeah no one used any cc ever to kill turn 5 or anything

nope

stopping those dreadknights from kidnapping your party members and doing god knows what to them is for n00bs

That's not even what he is talking about dude, he is taking about "3+ mobs" and he is talking about sleep. There are 2 jobs that have access to sleep, and one has holy and the other one has flare. It is literally grade 3 math to take a quick look at potency and see that by using sleep you're denying yourself the ability to use your most powerful skill.

If you use sleep in a 4 man past 50 you will either be laughed at or just have the mobs woken up, and you deserve either.

The really funny thing is that he is a WHM so his only other option is aero and stone 2. He is saying that 170 potency is faster than 200x3+ and completely ignoring that holy is also a CC ability, it stuns. It's like sleep it stops enemies from attacking except it doesn't stop you from attacking. Which is more relevant to what you're talking about because people stunned DKs not slept. The idea that he seriously does this in 4 mans is practically trolling.

[Lethallin]

Eh.

CC wasn't super interesting in Wow except for a little bit on certain boss fights. It was never interesting on trash. It was just kind of a crutch for tanks and healers that couldn't take a whole group. And that's fine, but was still mostly unnecessary.

[Wizhard]

Eh.

CC wasn't super interesting in Wow except for a little bit on certain boss fights. It was never interesting on trash. It was just kind of a crutch for tanks and healers that couldn't take a whole group. And that's fine, but was still mostly unnecessary.

I take it you never went into pre-nerf BC heroics? Stealthed rogue mobs that would go for your healer and stun them, caster mobs that could do more than 50% of your tanks hp in a single cast, whirlwinding melee mobs that would 2shot your dps, ahhh the good times.

[Red_Wolf]

lol no it is not.

try it sometime.

[Shadowzanon]

the only issue is 2 classes can sleep and one of them heals, the other would prefer to burn shit to death. if this was employed this will make both classes kinda mandatory pushing classes with no cc out of the picture.

[Sapphic]

the other would prefer to burn shit to death.

What you talking about? The BLM prefers to do that too! :P

[kyuven]

the only issue is 2 classes can sleep and one of them heals, the other would prefer to burn shit to death. if this was employed this will make both classes kinda mandatory pushing classes with no cc out of the picture.

This is an issue I forgot about.
CC requires actual CC abilities.
stuns and binds don't last long enough to do more than they're already doing for encounters, and sleep is exclusive to 2 classes.
SE has stated again and again in two different languages that their aim is to make it so you're not FORCED to use any single specific class for a given encounter. An encounter that requires CC automatically requires either a BLM, a WHM, or both.
And adding abilities for CC for other classes would mean adding abilities for WHM and BLM. Oh, and they need to be different or we'll complain about them being lazy. And they have to match the class's aesthetic.

[Zfz]

As a WoW 2.4 Warlock who gets tells the moment I go online for Seduction+Fear+Banish+CoE-kiting all at the same time, I must agree that a good CC system is a lot of fun. It's like playing chess versus tic-tac-toe, and FFXIV now is just tic-tac-toe.

BUT, it also creates a severe imbalance in the game where certain classes are preferred and certain classes simply cannot get parties. That is bad. Very bad. WoW itself saw the result of that and basically gave everyone a CC skill, but by then CC was phased out of dungeons, becoming a relic of the past.

I don't think I want to see that arrangement again where certain dungeons will always require certain classes. So I have to say no to over-emphasis on CC.

[Xatsh]

FFXIV is all about Big numbers and rotation.

IT is what the game is desiged for. The game is gated by rage mechanics which forces you to hit certain DPS mechanics in almost every major endgame fight.

I would love to see SE add enfeebling (CC Class) and Enhancing (Support class) jobs to the game, but they would have to abandon the current model of fights and have fights where bosses could be say Paralyzed, slowed, Slept, Bound. For more then 6secs.

Game is a rotation game... enfeebling classes are not based on rotations typically.

Would love this though. It is a huge thing the game lacks, but based off comments he made Yoshida feels what he designed is better so do not expect it. Ultra casual and Ultra linear are easy to balance and design for. Dept can confuse some ppl and make it harder to balance.

[Akiza]

FFXIV is all about Big numbers and rotation.

IT is what the game is desiged for. The game is gated by rage mechanics which forces you to hit certain DPS mechanics in almost every major endgame fight.
I would love to see SE add enfeebling (CC Class) and Enhancing (Support class) jobs to the game, but they would have to abandon the current model of fights and have fights where bosses could be say Paralyzed, slowed, Slept, Bound. For more then 6secs.

Game is a rotation game... enfeebling classes are not based on rotations typically.

Would love this though. It is a huge thing the game lacks, but based off comments he made Yoshida feels what he designed is better so do not expect it. Ultra casual and Ultra linear are easy to balance and design for. Dept can confuse some ppl and make it harder to balance.

Technically Summoner is an enfeebling and crowd control class since its based on the WoW Warlock but since Final Fantasy doesn't have an enfeebling system it fall apart.