Seriously SE???

[Gramul]

I understand the frustration. This in particular is a small problem in the bigger picture of what you seem to be annoyed with.

All of the stuff you mentioned is just a part of gaming in the course of natural evolution. The internet/information generation changed a lot of things, and it changed a lot in gaming as well, arguably not for the better.

You're right. I overreacted due to tangentially related issues that I feel are causing a lot of instability and anti-consumer sentiment. Sorry for the outburst. I'm generally more composed (I hope).

In all honesty 40 bucks for this amount of content isn't bad at all. I just wish the revenue from everything else would help keep other costs down.

Agreed. Honestly, the closest thing to old school tradition is Nintendo (though some would argue against that). Note that "closest" is the keyword there lol. After the early rise of GREAT indie games like Super Meat Boy, quality control has dropped even further than it already was at the time. There was money to be made, not just by good indie devs (like Team Meat), but also those hoping to see equal results for **** products.

That would explain a lot of my frustrations. The past 2 generations, the vast majority of what I played have been Nintendo and indie titles. I never had the chance to ease into all these changes and attitudes and from my perspective, a lot of it just seems manipulative and greedy.

If you take that $5 you save each month vs the normal sub you could pretty much buy all the vanity stuff and have money left over.

I'd rather budget that into life expenses, investments and savings.

[Zumi]

By less, I'm talking more about things like vanity DLC's where you're expected to pay comparatively remarkable amounts for not even a fraction of the game.
I've never played a game that asks for so much money from me before and I am not someone who spends off the cuff.

To me, it's remarkable how willing people are to give into the idea when I've heard so much complaints about other companies doing the same or less. Games I usually avoid like the plague.

You keep saying the price is too expensive and I know I seen you post during the 1.0 era so you have a legacy sub which means you are already paying $5-7 less pre month then everyone depending on how many months you pay for at a time. If you take that $5 you save each month vs the normal sub you could pretty much buy all the vanity stuff and have money left over.

[Welsper59]

You keep saying the price is too expensive and I know I seen you post during the 1.0 era so you have a legacy sub which means you are already paying $5-7 less pre month then everyone depending on how many months you pay for at a time. If you take that $5 you save each month vs the normal sub you could pretty much buy all the vanity stuff and have money left over.

You should take a look at the post above you (if you're not doing that now lol).

[Nominous]

You're right. I overreacted due to tangentially related issues that I feel are causing a lot of instability and anti-consumer sentiment. Sorry for the outburst. I'm generally more composed (I hope).

In all honesty 40 bucks for this amount of content isn't bad at all. I just wish the revenue from everything else would help keep other costs down.

Sadly, most businesses aim for surplus funds, which is why things cost as much as they do. Revenue is important, but what they're really looking for is good profits. Business is rough. I realize this after watching a local business's labor cost percentages. About 30% of the time, they're either just barely breaking even, or in the negative. That means they're literally paying out more than they make, regardless of the price the consumer sees on their end.

MMO's probably have a similar issue. Rising and falling sub-fees, time in-between expansions being rough 'low profit' seasons where they need to make up money (Cash Shop) before they get into money-making season (Expansion). There's always two sides to every story. It's fair to be annoyed at businesses for high costs. But I think it's a bit more unsettling to not consider the other side, at the very least. It's not defending them, just seeing from every perspective. Understanding that it isn't so crazy to not want your company to crash and burn because you wanted to please a vocal minority of people, just because it's the morally correct thing to do. This is some people's livelihood, and while I don't agree with all the practices, I can at the very least respect that. If I ran a business, I can't say that I'd always be able to please every person who complained about things like this, because while they're important, so is the company that was built to please them.

[Warlyx]

CoP did not have all story missions out on day 1, they had the first 2 chapters out of 8 total. The rest were added in subsequent patches, the final story line mission was added over a year later. CoP had no new level cap, no new jobs, just new areas and story missions and a handfull new new items mostly lower lvl items for CoP level capped areas. So we are actually getting a lot more in Heavensward, with a new race, 3 new jobs, and storyline missions, new areas and flying mounts.

still CoP is one the best expansions i played across lots of mmorpgs :3

[Shadowzanon]

said before ill just repeat. Wows recent expac was 40$ and se already announced more content than wows expac had on release so yep worth the 40$ go cut some grass or clean a car or something.

[Zenaku]

CoP did not have all story missions out on day 1, they had the first 2 chapters out of 8 total. The rest were added in subsequent patches, the final story line mission was added over a year later. CoP had no new level cap, no new jobs, just new areas and story missions and a handfull new new items mostly lower lvl items for CoP level capped areas. So we are actually getting a lot more in Heavensward, with a new race, 3 new jobs, and storyline missions, new areas and flying mounts.

Can you really call that content tho? You can call the new race a reskin elezen seeing how there part elf. Also i bet the storyline you can get done within few hours of release. Getting 60 would take no time at all i just hope the quality of the storyline and raids are there like most packs of FFXI. It seem by making ffxiv more casual they lose a lot of quality where if you have a good party you can win any new raids in a short time. At least this time the new raid have easy/hard modes here hoping the hard mode is really hard and not somewhat hard.

[Coldheart]

If the amount of new content is equal the ARR, it's a fair price.

But you always can wait until a sale or a price drop.

[MistyMew]

I paid quite a bit more for WoD collectors dig dl. ugh....so I don't find this price too outrageous.

Its very much comparable to many mmo expansion costs I have purchased over the years for ffxi, rift, wow....if not a bit cheaper.

[AsahinaMyLove]

I wouldnt be surprised if the Expansion will be released end of may >_>;;